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Topic: Lawrence of Arabia on DVD
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 08-23-2001 09:04 AM
Robert Harris and L. Robert Morris both participate on the rec.arts.movies.tech newsgroup. Another site for people interested in film restoration and archiving is the Association of Moving Image Archivists (AMIA) at:
http://www.amianet.org/ Physical wear and tear of the original negative is often an issue with color films from the 1950's and many 65mm camera originals, as the original cut negative was often used for making hundreds of prints, rather than using a duplicate negative. Today, a duplicate negative is almost always used to make the release prints, and only a handful of direct prints ("EK prints" or "show prints") are made for premiers or "flagship" theatres. A "protection master" should be made as soon as the answer print is approved. Here is the film used to make master positives and duplicate negatives:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/lab/2244.shtml Silver-image B&W separation positives are also made for the ultimate in long-term stability and protection:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/lab/2238.shtml Here is a link to the Kodak Pro-Tek film vault:
http://www.cinesite.com/la/presrest/protek.html ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Robert Harris
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From: Bedford Hills, NY, USA
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-22-2005 07:47 AM
"I'll make this short and brief..."
Several years ago, the restored 6 track magnetic masters approved by DL were sent to Chace Audio in LA for "clean-up."
Although the brilliant audio editors and mixers who worked on the project with me, intent on making everything as perfect as possible, added layers of different optical and magnetic hiss and normal noise to the tracks to make all of the various bits and pieces work together as a whole...
The brilliant audio technicians at Chace found this to their distaste...
and removed all of the added audio, along with the high end of the film...
and whilst on their merry way, felt that they heard certain "drop-outs" in the right channel...
and without a word, went about re-cutting the tracks to DL's film, essentially re-mixing the audio and re-editing Mr. Jarre's Academy Award winning score.
There are actually two re-edits kindly given to us by Chace. The other is just before the Intermission, as Lawrence walks inside to re-join the other officers after his meeting with Allenby et al.
The "improved sound track," along with mis-approved colors and densities somehow, unbeknownst to home video executives, made its way through the studio's QC system, to the beautifully packaged 40th Anniversary DVD. Today, the set is best used as coasters, as it is not representative of the film.
With the help and cooperation of Sony's home video division, and Columbia's Grover Crisp, it was later corrected on the SuperBit editiion.
For those of you who might have known DL...
He would have had the engineers at Chace singing with the castrati.
RAH
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Andy Summers
Master Film Handler
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From: Bournemouth Dorset United kingdom
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted 08-25-2005 08:02 PM
To Robert Harris
Cheers for the reply that’s very grateful, also I have a few of the other classics that you and James C. Katz have done smashing work on (My Fair Lady) and I especially like the audio commentary as well and the part where you talked about the use of split-surrounds, man I was tripping off that had my ears pinned to every word that you said about its use and the other great digital sound formats that are available.
Dolby digital, dts and SDDS 8, also Vertigo I was raving about the six-track mix on it for weeks, though my DVD copy is missing one track the LFE, where in the dickens is the LFE track, I went though careful on it looking up and down the films soundtrack, no where was it to be present, though the front mix, and with running three-screen JBL control 5 monitors alone with the JBL 4645 THX sub bass its still felt.
But like you said about feeling jealous, man I’m feel in the exact way, without the LFE, but there more to life than the LFE, but it’s the principle hear that I’m talking about, don’t say it’s the (Chace) audio technicians that did this mix please I’m stating to dislike the sound of there techniques, the motion picture soundtrack alone with the image should all remain intact and it should be upheld with fierce conviction.
Yours Ashley
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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 08-26-2005 03:30 AM
going a bit off-topic here to add comment on RHPS:
(kinda funny, in that link that was posted, that one fan when he saw it for the first time, it was on a CinemaScope screen... - it was in FLAT..)
The year before (1974), a interesting flick that came out which was "Phantom of the Paradise", and wonder if RHPS was made to continue this trend from FOX..
I ran RHPS for the first time in fall, of 1976 as a regular feature that the theatre I was working at. I liked the movie -funny and bizarre and an interesting twist on "Frankenstein's monster." It actually did pretty well, since the audience heard the buzz of the original BDWY cast of the almost same name ("Picture" was not in the original title-just "The Rocky Horror Show"). ... little did I know that just 2yrs later, it would becom the midnight show cult classic of all time...
..just can't figure out why they can't leave films that came out in mono, just leave them that way, instead of messing them up to sound stereo.
-Monte
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. Is this Guttag-Tech.com or something? This is a public forum and there WERE other mentions of RHPS weather you like it or not... which by the way is a film that really sucks mucho bigo. Really, I think you owe Monty an appology!
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