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Steve Anderson
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I have mine in the original box stored in the closet...plus about 40 discs. Stereo audio was what made me purchase one when they came out.

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Jesse Skeen
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Zenith sold the first DIVX player too- I still need to get one of those while they're still around. I bought 15 of the discs when Circus City cleared them out.

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Paul Mayer
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Why would you want do that Jesse? In vitually every case, DIVX versions of titles were pan&scan only. AFAIK DIVX did only full-frame versions--no letterboxing, certainly no anamorphic widescreen. No extras of any kind either. DIVX was definitely a low-end market format, price-driven and aimed at people that didn't care about the technical features of the releases. Were there any titles that were DIVX only? That might be the only reason to hold on to one. Again AFAIK there were no DIVX "exclusives".

DIVX--remember, the "V" is silent. Gads what a format. [Wink]

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Jesse Skeen
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What can I say, I have a soft spot for failed technology! Yes, I absolutely hated the concept of DIVX when it came out, but since it died a rightful death I felt I ought to at least pick up a few discs since I figured few people would probably be saving them (all the unsold ones were destroyed from what I heard.) I have Tomorrow Never Dies and Amistad which are labeled as being anamorphic widescreen, also Armageddon, Deep Impact and Roger Rabbit which are letterboxed. Amistad includes a making-of feature which the cover indicates "can be viewed at any time without charge"- it probably can't be played now though since the player still had to phone in to the system to make sure you still had "permission" to play it. That was the concept of "DIVX Gold" discs which never materialized, but were proposed to not have the pay-per-view structure of the regular discs, but could only be played on DIVX players and were still subject to having plays phoned-in and play could be disabled at will. That was what I hated most about the format- suppose some hidden obscenity in a Disney movie was discovered, so the company could simply tell the machines not to let any existing copies of it play anymore?
Interestingly enough, the Cartrivision tape format in 1972 had a similar concept- rental tapes had a mechanism that would not allow them to be rewound in a consumer machine, so you could only watch them one time before returning them. I have a few of these tapes and they all were previously been taken apart, presumably to defeat this "feature".
CED was a silly format as well (they NEVER should have let it reach the market until they could completely eliminate the skipping), but since it's now long-gone there's just something about it I find appealing, much like 8-track tapes.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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I'm still waiting for the Sanyo V-Cord format to catch on...

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Michael Coate
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quote:
DIVX did only full-frame versions--no letterboxing
From Widescreen Review magazine's 2004 Ultimate Widescreen DVD Movie Guide issue, p29:

Always
Amistad*
Armageddon*
Born On The Fourth Of July
Deep Impact
Dragnet*
Fletch*
Havana
The Holcroft Covenant
The Longest Day
The River*
The Thing
Tomorrow Never Dies*
Who Framed Roger Rabbit

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certainly no anamorphic widescreen.
See asterisked titles above.

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Paul Mayer
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I stand corrected. Still a dumb format though. [Big Grin]

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Jesse Skeen
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I've got a couple unused Sanyo V-Cord blank tapes that I found sealed- 1 I opened and the other I'm keeping sealed, never seen a machine for these though.

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Matthew Bailey
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Come to think of it,I think it can be found in the search engines is another disc format called Vinyl Video. It uses mostly any stereo turntable & uses a decoder box to decode the video & sound from the grooved surface. Unfortunately, the format is in black & white. Here it is. http://www.vinylvideo.com

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Jesse Skeen
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I was going to get one of those til I saw the price. It looks like more of an "art" thing though.

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William Hooper
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.wav files work, too:

http://www.sptv.demon.co.uk/nbtv/
http://www.terramedia.co.uk/documents/baird_televisor.htm
http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/gallery.htm
http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/clubshop.htm

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Jesse Skeen
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Bumping this up in response to the Laserdisc Appreciation thread. Currently I've got less than 40 CED titles to go until I've got one of every title that was ever produced! [Eek!]

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Bruce Hansen
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I don't believe that CED discs had groves. The "C" in CED stands for capacative. It used a stylus that rode on the disc (I don't remember how tracking was done), but as it wore you would see adjcent tracks in the background.

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David Stambaugh
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CED discs do have grooves. Quoting from CED Magic:

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The shelf life of a CED is basically unknown, but I'd make a guess that it's around a hundred years. Of course, that begs the question of whether there will be any functional CED stylus cartridges still in existence to play the discs. Some people might think a hundred year estimate is awfully long, but consider that vinyl audio records have been around since the late 1940's, so there are 50 year old vinyl discs out there that are still playable. The counter argument to this is that CED grooves are much smaller (38 CED grooves fit inside a single audio LP groove), so CED's won't last as long. But the CED stylus is correspondingly smaller and the stylus tracking force is much less (0.065 grams on CED's vs. 2 grams typically on audio LP's).

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Bruce Hansen
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There are no groves on an RCA SelectaVision (CED) disc. There are tracks, but no groves. If you open one up you can see this. The surface is smooth, and looks something like a laser disc, except that it is black, but you can see the vertical sync (notice that there are more fields per track than on laser disc), and changes in the video. If you want to open one, just stick teekers (small screwdivers, or use tooth picks) in the outside edge of the "locks" and press inward, while pulling out that top plastic piece.

BTW: CED stands for Capacitance Electronic Disc

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