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Author Topic: OMG they showed Star Warz 2 in HD on TV 2nite LOL! Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-24-2005 08:29 PM                     So only scope films are released in widescreen formats on DVD? In other words, scope = widescreen? Seriously I don't know that much about tv's so I realize this may be a completely stupid question to most of you. Sorry for my ignorance.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-24-2005 09:43 PM                     Widescreen DVD = in some way, shape or form, NOT full-frame (aka pan & scan). On a 4:3 tv set it will have letterboxing bars. Anamorphic DVD = it uses the entire height of the video image to store picture data and then squishes it down for "widescreen" on 4:3 tv sets or stretches it to the sides for 16:9 sets. Think about the anamorphic lens on a projector ... the image area on a scope (anamorphic) film is mostly full frame and it is stretched out side-to-side to achieve the wide screen effect. (In some cases, a reverse anamorphic is used to squish it vertically to the correct shape.) 16:9 is an aspect ratio of 1.78:1, so a flat (1.85:1) film will be slightly cropped on the sides or have very small black bars at the top and bottom. Scope (2.39:1) will have larger black bars at the top and bottom.  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-25-2005 12:03 PM                     So the aspect ratio of a scope lens is different than a Widescreen TV? That would explain the bars. I am still learning the meanings of the aspect ratios. Common sense would say though that since the scope films are short and wide, and widescreen tv's are short and wide, everything would match. I guess that isn't so. I will have learn more about the aspect ratios I guess to completey understand it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-25-2005 06:13 PM                        Scope movies are wider than a widescreen TV.  |  IP: Logged John Lasher Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Newark, DE Registered: Aug 2001 posted 05-25-2005 06:25 PM                        It would seem some visual aids may be in order. | -- | -- | --  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-25-2005 11:00 PM                     Thanks John. As if this wasn't enough to confuse me, the TV has 4 or 5 different picture size settings that you can choose from. I usually pick whichever one fills the screen. I paid for that big screen, I'm gonna use it. Besides once you get used to the fat heads everyone gets when you stretch 4:3 to 16:9, you don't even notice it anymore.  |  IP: Logged Adam Wilbert Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 590 From: Bellingham, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002 posted 05-25-2005 11:42 PM                        ugh... I can't stand fat heads. No way. Not ever. I look at it this way, if I'm going to spend all of that money, I don't want everything to be distorted. I've been watching square TV all of my life, I don't understand why stretched TV is better? Joshua, I sure hope you're not running all of your films with the 2.35:1 lens because, damnit, those customers paid for a widescreen movie, and they're going to get it.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-26-2005 12:22 AM                     I hear that when you buy one of them fancy televisions, you *have* to view everything stretched out because otherwise, the screen will form some sort of burn-in from always having pillarboxes from SD signals.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-26-2005 04:34 AM                        Not true. But if you're dumb enough to buy a plasma or a rear projection CRT, then you deserve the burn in.  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-26-2005 09:13 PM                     I love playing films with the wrong lens. It's my chance to put my own artistic spin on the production. Rest easy Adam, I am a full-time student now and haven't worked a booth for a few years. Actually now that you bring it up, back in my wilder days me and another co-conspirator projectionist attached a "Last Starfighter" trailer to a sold out film on opening night. Our biggest house too. We then went down into the theater to listen to the patrons reactions. People were all excited thinking it was being re-released. The mono sound was stunning to boot. Yea I know, not one of my prouder moments. I stretch the image on my tv so as to avoid the "burn".  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-26-2005 11:32 PM                     Video done wrong.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-27-2005 01:57 AM                        Here is my question for Joshua: if you don't care about proper aspect ratios, why did you buy the widescreen TV in the first place? You can also display wrong and distorted images on a standard 4:3 TV, for much less money.  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-27-2005 03:41 PM                     Manny, I didn't claim to be proud of it. Michael, They did't sell HD big screens that weren't 16:9 where I got mine. I wanted a big screen tv. I wanted HD. I watch a lot of movies and I like the bigger screen. I have been stuck with a 13" K-Mart simulated wood grain special for the last 15 years. I was also under the assumption that more programs would be broadcast in the 16:9 ratio and everyone claims that eventually all programs will be broadcast in 16:9. Why in the hell would I spend $1,500 on a tv and not get the latest technology. I also thought that a widescreen dvd would actually fill up my screen and not still have the black bars. Why would they devise a new aspect ratio, make it the standard for all new tv's, and have it be something that doesn't coincide with the scope lens aspect ratio? It doesn't make sense to me. You would think that they would consider that a lot of people would watch dvd's of films that were shot in scope. Unless there is some other reason for tv broadcasts to go in 16:9.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-27-2005 06:07 PM                        What type of TV do you have, Joshua? Plasma? Rear projection CRT? Direct view CRT (like most TVs up until recently)? LCD? What?  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-28-2005 06:05 AM                     It's a Toshiba model number 51H84. It is a 51" rear projection HD monitor. There is no HD receiver built in. You have to have the cable companies box to receive HD.  |  IP: Logged

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