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Chad Souder
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posted 09-17-2006 08:38 AM

quote: Joe Redifer
I don't know which one to watch and no matter which one I do, I feel like I'm getting the wrong experience of the movie.

Exactly, I feel the same way about Bladerunner. One sad thing is that this will be the same feeling for many new viewers of Star Wars because I think re-releasing anything with changes is a way of admitting fault with the original, an original many of which may have been fond. The same crap happened with E.T. Some of the most-loved parts of classic movies were not original intentions by the director. They did a great episode of South Park about Lucas and Spielberg screwing with Indy. Thankfully that has yet to happen, but beware in '08 when the new one comes around.

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Jesse Skeen
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posted 09-17-2006 09:40 AM

My main player is a Pioneer DVL-909 which I've had for 8 years now and I still love it. I still haven't upgraded to a 16x9 TV yet, when I do I'll have to get a more up-to-date DVD player. (I've also got a cheapo Chinese player for playing PAL discs, a PS2 which has extreme 'chroma bug', and a Philips DVD recorder which really sucks at playback.) My Pioneer is fixed for region-select and no Muckrovision though. It can play dual-layer DVD+Rs too. The only thing I hate about it is that "spinning disc" graphic it shows while switching sides on LDs.

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Michael Coate
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posted 09-25-2006 02:34 PM

quote: Charles Greenlee
When did pro-logic come out?

Dolby Surround: 1982
Dolby Surround Pro-Logic: 1987

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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posted 09-25-2006 05:28 PM

Really? 1982? I have one of the first consumer decoders by "Surround Sound Inc." It was the "Dolby MP Matrix" decoders. All it decoded was the surround channel and not too cleverly but it did have delay and a modified Dolby B filter...in fact it bore the Dolby logo.

Steve

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 09-25-2006 08:00 PM

quote: Chad Souder
The same crap happened with E.T. Some of the most-loved parts of classic movies were not original intentions by the director. They did a great episode of South Park about Lucas and Spielberg screwing with Indy.

There is a very critical difference that separates the revisions made by E.T. over Star Wars: The 2-disc DVD release of E.T.: The Extraterrestrial featured both the original theatrical release cut (with the cops holding guns in their hands) and the special edition release with added footage (and cops' guns replaced with walkie talkies). Basically both purists and paranoid parents were left satisfied.

On top of that, the original theatrical cut of E.T. on DVD had Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 audio tracks. And that's despite misleading packaging notes that didn't mention the DTS track. There was none of this moronic 2.0 bullshit purists have to put up with on the Star Wars and Bladerunner discs.

Overall, I think the special edition 2-disc release of E.T. was handled pretty well.

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Ron Curran
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posted 09-25-2006 08:09 PM

The curious thing about the ET release in Australia is that the original (avec guns) was rated G and the re-cut version (sans guns) was rated PG by our wise minders.

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Michael Coate
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posted 09-27-2006 02:48 PM

quote: Steve Guttag
Really? 1982? I have one of the first consumer decoders by "Surround Sound Inc." It was the "Dolby MP Matrix" decoders. All it decoded was the surround channel and not too cleverly but it did have delay and a modified Dolby B filter...in fact it bore the Dolby logo.

It isn't clear to me if you're suggesting the 1982 date is too early or too late. My source on this info is the 1996 Dolby company chronology.

quote:
December 1982
First licensed decoder with Dolby Surround circuitry introduced by Surround Sound Inc.

quote:
January 1987
Firt Dolby Pro Logic directional enhancement surround decoder shown at CES

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 09-27-2006 04:25 PM

Not suggesting anything...just really trying to remember when it was. The time frame sure seems right. I also used the odd CP50 in my home system every once in a while too.

I still have that SSI unit around somewhere. Probably next the Pioneer VP-1000.

Steve

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Charles Greenlee
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posted 09-28-2006 08:40 PM

quote: Frank Dubrois
I just pointed out that your dvd to laserdisc comparison was faulted in several ways. Sorry it brought you down, but cmon, did you read your post on your first comparison? DVD with HDMI compared to laserdisc S-Video. It wasnt even close.

I'm not sure about his original intent. I read differently. Not that the media, or the transfer resulted in a better product, but that the equipment playing the movie, including the connection technology, has progressed so far between the two players makes the difference. Thus his comparison is really more about the playing technology than about the media itself.

Take lenses. If you play a film on a lens that isn't high quality, you picture won't be as good, no matter how good the media is. Play it with a high quality lens, and the film is able to show to it's full potential. As I mentioned before, maybe the laserdisc media is capable of more than the player playing it. Maybe on a professional player, with the current hookups, it's comparable. Hence why I think that they aren't dubbing via analog connections from DVD, but rather rippping the laserdisc master digitally, reencoding it for DVD, and burning it to DVD.

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