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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 02-14-2009 07:19 PM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bobby makes very good points up there.

Almost all of today's TV's are of really nice picture quality. As you said, just walk into a retailer and you'll be amazed at 95% of the TV's on display.

And full HD resolution ones are now hardly more expensive (if at all) than 720p ones, so I would always recommend going for the straight full HD, as it is affordeable and more resolution can't hurt, right? [Wink]

After that, it's a matter of personal taste and price. My parents bought last year the very top of the line Sony 46" traditional LCD fullHD, which had a suggested retail price of €4500, over $5800, but that really sold for €3000 (still $3800).

Well, my daughter bought a $1500 42" traditional LCD fullHD philips one.

Now, I've worked on TV (and a couple of movies on film) professionally and done telecine transfers, projected dailies, etc. My job demanded that I always observed images for defects, glitches, artifacts, and whatever.

I can tell you I like my daughter's Philips MUCH and undoubtely better than my parent's Sony.

Since you have a Costco nearby, you can look at their web site and read about the specs on TV. Then choose between a couple of models and go to the store to check them out in person.

http://www.costco.com/Common/

If you are unsure about the Vizio brand, they have a very similarly spec'ed TV on the website by JVC, if you trust the brand more, for the same price.

Without really looking much into it, I would give a good look and consideration to the 42" fullHD Philips they have there for $899 or the $999 46" fullHD Toshiba.

Large brands that have good quality/price ratio, at least in Europe, are: Sharp, Toshiba, LG/Philips, Samsung. Brands that are overpriced here: Thomson, Sony.

At the end, most current TV's have all the features you want and at least 3 HDMI inputs so you can plug in TV setop cable boxes, disc players (DVD, blu-ray), consoles, etc. There are external boxes to manage more HDMI inputs if you ever run out of them, but it's a bit of a mess. But the more inputs, always the better in case you ever need them.

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Sam Graham
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 - posted 02-14-2009 07:39 PM      Profile for Sam Graham   Author's Homepage   Email Sam Graham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It doesn't sound to me like you'd really need more than two HDMI inputs for your situation, though having an extra input for the unexpected cool new device down the road wouldn't hurt. But I imagine you'll eventually replace your Denon with an HDMI in/out receiver, then you'll only need one anyway.

I'll back Julio's praise about Phillips LCD too. Wife #1 and I bought one in 2007 over the Vizio because it had better reviews for its picture quality and it just plain looked sharper (style, not necessarily picture). It's now my bedroom TV, and it's been great. They're showing up in some Marriott properties I've stayed at lately too. (A slight disclaimer...I guess they turned manufacture over to Funai last year, but they're being produced at the same plants under the same specs...)

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 02-15-2009 01:56 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Claude S. Ayakawa
Why is it important to have more HDMI inputs as possible on a HD TV when I will run the audio from my BD player to my old Denon receive with an optical cable like I am doing now and HDMI 'out' from the BD player to HDMI 'in' on the TV.
With older receivers you often have to send the video signal from the HD device (Blu-ray player, HD cable box, HD satellite receiver, etc.) directly to the HDTV set. Most people with HDTV setups have more than one device providing HD-quality programming.

If your Denon receiver supports HD video via component video connections then you can probably get by with sending video signals from Blu-ray players, satellite receivers, etc. into the AV receiver and then feed a component video output from the receiver to the TV set.

My old Yamaha receiver doesn't even have component video connections. It just has composite and S-Video support. Because of that issue, I have to feed all my HD signals directly into my Bravia XBR4 TV set and then only supply the Yamaha receiver with optical audio connections.

Between my PS3, Dish Network receiver and upscaling DVD player all 3 of my TV's HDMI connections are used. I can attach the DVD player via S-Video if I get another device that needs an HDMI connection -such as a new notebook PC with HDMI-output.

Once I get a new AV receiver I'll be able to attach all my HDMI equipped devices to it and only attach one HDMI cable to my HDTV set. For now, I need all the extra connections that TV provides. They come in very handy.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Bobby Henderson
With older receivers you often have to send the video signal from the HD device (Blu-ray player, HD cable box, HD satellite receiver, etc.) directly to the HDTV set. Most people with HDTV setups have more than one device providing HD-quality programming.
Wouldn't you be able to connect your devices though an audio/video switcher, as in something that takes multiple inputs and goes into one output for your TV?

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Bobby Henderson
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Yeah, but a switcher that supports multiple HDMI inputs, optical audio, etc. would not be cheap. Why spend extra money like that when the job is already being handled by running the video inputs into the TV and audio inputs into the receiver?

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Bruce Hansen
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 - posted 02-15-2009 06:01 PM      Profile for Bruce Hansen   Email Bruce Hansen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Right now, through Tuesday, Fry's Electronics has a 10' HDMI cable on sale for $3.97 (#5406989). BTW, the ad says that it will do 1080P.

Don't have a Fry's near by? Target has a 6' GE HDMI cable on sale for $14.99.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Yeah, but a switcher that supports multiple HDMI inputs, optical audio, etc. would not be cheap.
I think HDMI-only switchers are about $80-$100.

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Bobby Henderson
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Yeah, $80 or $100. But why even spend that at all? What the hell problem does spending that money solve? Nothing.

I'm doing just fine with running HDMI cables into my HDTV set and audio cables into my receiver. Why the hell do I need to waste money on a 3rd party device to only do the same freaking thing? Seems very stupid and wasteful to me. The only thing I need to do with my current setup is change things once I'm able to buy a new 7.1 channel HDMI-equipped AV receiver. Until then, I'm sticking with feeding video cables into my TV and audio cables into my receiver. If I needed a 4th, 5th or 6th HDMI signal input then maybe something like a third party HDMI switcher would be worth the expense. But not until then.

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Steve Guttag
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I tend to agree. So long as the cable is not defective and it is 15-feet or less...most any cable will do.

Over 15-feet...the cable's construction plays a big factor on getting the signal to the display. I've seen SEVERAL cables (including "Monster" I might add) that did not do well on the 40+ foot run!

As to 1080p...most any cable will do that as 1080p/24 has been common for awhile. The key to the newer generation cables are that they are 1080p/60 certified. It is all a matter of bandwidth.

We use Extron cables and I've found them to be quite excellent. Not only to they work (primary function)...they also have really good connectors and don't tend to fall out. They are neither bargain basement cheap nor are they Monster cable insanely expensive. Extron has two grades now...their orignal and now the HDMI 1.3 (Cat 2) with refresh rates up to 120Hz certified.

Steve

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Julio Roberto
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Yeah, we've run lots of Extron back in good old analog times [Smile] And another local spanish company that did excelent RF equipment and cables.

About external HDMI switches and such, there is no need whatsoever for them to be expensive.

For $24.99 including shipping you can have this HDM 1.3a -compatible one which includes 3 free HDMI cables and a remote control:

http://www2.meritline.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=33053&SEName=hdmi-v1-3-hdcp-3-ports-mini-switch-with-3-pcs-of-hdmi -cable

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3x1 HDMI mini switcher that routes high definition video (in multiple resolutions up to 1080p) and digital audio from any one of the three sources to display unit. Aside from the manual switching, the switching can also done via the IR remote that is provided with the unit. The compact design eliminates the bulk of an HDMI switcher while still having the same functionality.

But, as Bobby said, why complicate things when the best solution is to have equipment (TV, receivers) with plenty of HDMI inputs?

Most equipment today has at least 3, so it's not much of an issue anymore except for special circunstances. Again, if you ever run short of them, you can use an external switcher for not a lot of money and not too much inconvinience if you have no other choice.

Above about 35' and cable gauge, shielding, impedance matching and uniformity and other construction tolerances and precission come into serious play. From 35' to about 15': somewhat under some circunstances. Below 15': you would have to be a seriously bad incompetent manufacturer to screw it up under any normal circunstances.

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Bruce Hansen
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Woops, double post.

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Joe Redifer
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I'm glad I bought a few HDMI cables from Monoprice.com before the price went up slightly (they are still VERY low, but it may require a bit of hunting to get the best price on the site).

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