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Author Topic: WHEN THE LION ROARS on Blu-Ray Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 09-23-2009 03:38 PM                     So was the version I saw on TNT not from the OCN at 8K, but rather from a dupe? I take it then, that this release tonight is a broadcast from the Blu-ray material.  |  IP: Logged Joe Tommassello Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 547 From: Coatesville, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2008 posted 09-23-2009 04:22 PM                  If the press release is to be believed there are a couple of improvements. The "old" version was from I believe a 2K scan of the original negatives using WB's original "Ultra-Resolution" process - totally acceptable for DVD production. In the ensuing years they have updated this process so it provides even better registration of the three Technicolor negative elements. In addition they scanned the elements at 8K which I read means a pixel is smaller than a grain of film. I am sure that statement will spark some debate here and I don't know if it's right or wrong but let's take it at face value. That would mean WB was able to color correct each element, repair any issues and re-register them together one grain of film at a time on each frame of film if necessary. Sounds like quite an achievement. Another big plus over the previous TNT HD version we saw is that there will be much less compression on the BR disc than a cable broadcast allowing for even more fine detail in the picture. The showing tonight is from the new scans but will be negatively impacted by the equipment through which most locations will project it.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-24-2009 07:31 PM                     Hi Claude, The disc looks amazing. It has everything you always wanted to know about OZ and more. I get many titles early. I did not get the Casablanca blu-ray set, I have the HD-DVD release of the movie. That one looked great too.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-24-2009 07:58 PM                        Thanks Bill, I was very glad to learn this morning that a standard Blu Ray version of THE WIZZARD OF OZ will be available only at Target on Tuesday along with the BD of GREMLINS. What is surprising about GREMLINS in Blu Ray is it's release now without any prior announcement from WHV. I am glad TWOO will be available in a standard case without all that extra stuff because I do not need them. I already have WHEN THE LION ROARS on laserdisc and DVD. I hope the standard release from TARGET will have all of the extra stuff pertaining to the Judy Garland movie however. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Joe Tommassello Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 547 From: Coatesville, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2008 posted 09-28-2009 11:09 AM                  Claude - I was excited to see the Target version as well. Like you I am only interested in the video content and not the "toys". According to the Target ad it's two discs which would be all of the OZ material - eliminating the "...Lion Roars" DVD and the digital copy of OZ. At 34.99 it is the best version for me. I hear they are also going to have a Gone With The Wind exclusive of a similar nature. I think, however, I will stick with the larger set on GWTW since it also has the "...Lion Roars" disc (which I do not have at this time) and is one of my top ten favorite movies. Also I recommend "Casablanca" as well. I understand it's the same master as the HD-DVD version and it is stunning in glorious black-and-white! TBS showed OZ in HD last night. From how unimpressed I was from the last time TNT showed it I would surmise this had to be from the new transfer. It was beautiful even with the limited cable TV bandwidth. Should be incredible on BR disc.  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 09-28-2009 12:45 PM                     Unless they used a bad telecine or scanner for the 2K version, you'd have a hard time telling any difference between 2K and 8K on an HD set, because 2K is above the resolution of HD (only 10%, but still. . .) So, barring physical restorative work of film damage, I don't know how you could be "unimpressed" with the older HD version, Joe. There are differences between 8K and 2K scans, but none you could likely see on an HD TV; you could only conceivably see the difference on a 4K projector or a film print. What I was unimpressed with was how a lot of paying customers got duped into seeing the broadcast on sub-HD preview projectors (my experience on a TV last year was certainly better than that, because I have HD), and that the archive 35mm restoration prints were apparantly withdrawn shortly before that time. I hear the preview projectors are only 500-600 lines, as opposed to 1000+ needed to render HD.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-28-2009 02:12 PM                        Joe, If what a Target employee who had posted at the Home Theatre Forum had said turn out to be true, THE WIZARD OF OZ that will be sold at their stores tomorrow will be a three disc set and not two. This means you will get WHEN THE LION ROARS when you purchase TWOO. The laserdisc of WTLR was a box set with three discs and the DVD is a two disc set in a standard case. This means the documentary is now on a double sided disc It is very strange that WHV will be including the MGM documentary on the GONE WITH THE WIND Blue Ray set again. I am planning to buy the Target edition of that movie if it is offered and when I do, I will have three copies of WHEN THE LION ROARS. How about that? As far as the scanning rate is concerned, I know both THE WIZARD OF OZ and GONE WITH THE WIND will be splendid in Blu Ray.. I am also looking forward to SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFF next week. Robert Harris had very favorable things to say about it in his review of the film at the Home Theatre Forum. I had pre ordered SWATSD from Best Buy and was given a gorgeous steelbook case when I did that. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Joe Tommassello Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 547 From: Coatesville, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2008 posted 09-28-2009 06:04 PM                  Karl: I hear what you are saying about the 2K vs. 8K/4K version but I think the difference may have had as much to do with the increased capabilities of their "ultra-resolution" process as anything. Admittedly I was watching while doing other things but the registration of the three strips seemed flawless...noticeably better than - for example - "Adventures of Robin Hood" which was done back in 2003 and is the transfer available on the current HD disc versions. It would stand to reason the smaller pixels would allow for a more precise result.  |  IP: Logged

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