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Claude S. Ayakawa
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posted 10-05-2009 09:44 PM

I bought my Samsung HDTV from Costco and they have a no question asked return policy for ninety days and a two years extended manufacturers warranty from Samsung so I have nothing to worry about for roughly another year and a half. Even if my set 'dies' shortly after the warranty expires, I will not sweat it because I would have got more than my monies worth because I got the set at a great price. It pays to shop at Costco!

-Claude

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-05-2009 10:47 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
The "recovery" feature is in the Camera Raw utility, not Photoshop CS4 itself. The "recovery" slider is under the "basic" tab, the 4th slider down (below the color temperature, tint and exposure sliders).

Ah! I don't know how I missed that. I didn't know Camera Raw was it's own entity. It can't be launched by itself, it just pops up when I drag a RAW file into Photoshop.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-06-2009 12:41 AM

That's the funny thing with Camera RAW. You can launch it via Adobe Bridge, Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Lightroom.

One thing I really do NOT like about Adobe Camera RAW is you need the latest versions of at least one Adobe imaging application in order to use the latest version of Camera RAW. Currently Adobe Camera RAW is at version 5.5 and it is only compatible with Photoshop CS4, Lightroom 2 and the latest version of Bridge. I cannot read .CR2 RAW files from my Canon EOS 5D Mark II using the version of Camera RAW that ships with Creative Suite 3 or earlier. It's a good thing Canon at least supplies its own RAW editing and conversion software. One thing I like about the Canon software: it's easy to save a 16-bit TIFF image from a RAW file. The Adobe stuff wants you to save .DNG files and other crap like that instead of giving a 16-bit TIFF option.

quote: David Stambaugh
Also, did he register it online with Samsung? Samsung extended the factory warranty from 12 months to 15 months on the all their TVs in the 550A-650A-750A series if you registered online (maybe other models, and maybe they still do with current models). I don't think you can do it retroactively though, esp. after the initial 12 months has lapsed.

I don't think he registered his TV set online. I wish I had known about that months before. It would definitely have been worth it for him to register online. The remote control factory reset function sounds like it would be worth a try, but he already took his HDTV to an authorized Samsung service business here in Lawton. That place has been working on TV sets for over 40 years, so there may be some hope they'll find the problem quickly and try to do the least amount of damage to his wallet. I still thing his TV set's power supply or main board is shot. That can't be cheap to replace.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-06-2009 12:51 AM

Saving as TIFF is easy with Adobe. Just drag in the CR2 image, do your thing in Adobe RAW and then select OPEN. You're now in Photoshop. Save as TIFF. I don't know where the DNG thing is coming from. Maybe you are referring to the little files it creates alongside the image with the settings you made in the Adobe RAW application?

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-06-2009 09:54 AM

I agree, having RAW images open in Photoshop as TIFF images is easy. But try having it open in 16-bit per channel depth. Whenever I choose the "open" or "open with" commands when selecting a RAW image in Bridge the file always opens in Photoshop as an 8-bit TIFF.

When editing the image in the Camera RAW 5.5 utility you can click the "save image..." command at the bottom of the dialog box. But it doesn't give you much of anything in terms of options for TIFF. No choice of 8-bit or 16-bit. Just 8-bit only with LZW compression or no compression at all.

Adobe Camera RAW 5.5 will let you save RAW images in their "digital negative" DNG format when using the "save image..." command. However, those images merely open up again in Camera RAW and not directly into Photoshop. The only purpose I see for DNG is allowing people with older versions of Photoshop and Camera RAW to see RAW quality data from newer D-SLR cameras. Unfortunately, and yet again, that leaves you stuck with Photoshop getting to see an 8-bit image instead. There appears to be no way to get the 14-bit wide RAW data fully into Photoshop as a 16-bit per channel image. As least Canon's DPP software will allow the 14-bit RAW data to be converted to 16-bit TIFF.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-17-2009 09:39 PM

It turns out Adobe Camera RAW can convert RAW images and DNG files into 16-bit TIFF images. The feature is BADLY HIDDEN.

One would think the 8-bit/16-bit toggle would be offered under the Camera RAW preferences dialog box in Adobe Photoshop and Bridge. Nope.

Instead, the "workflow options" dialog box is brought up by clicking (or right-clicking) the bit of blue underlined technical verbiage at the bottom of the Camera RAW window. The text says something along the lines of "Adobe RGB (1998); 8-bit; 5616 by 3744 (21.0MP); 240 ppi." Of course, that will vary based on what kind of camera RAW or DNG file you have open.

When you bring up that workflow options dialog box, you can set the appropriate bit depth, change the PPI level or even re-size the image.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-17-2009 10:21 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I never ever use Bridge (no real use for it that I can find), but that is easy enough to fix in Camera RAW and open in Photoshop as a 16-bit image. Just right-click the web-looking link under the image preview and change to 16-bit. I haven't tested if it STAYS in 16-bit yet with new images, that would require me to take another picture and import it and I am too lazy.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-18-2009 12:25 AM

As far as I can tell, the 16-bit toggle is "sticky." I applied the 16-bit setting to one RAW image and then sent it to open in Photoshop. The next RAW image I opened had the 16-bit level applied.

IMHO, the 16-bit setting should be applied in Adobe Camera RAW by default. Most Camera RAW images are 12-bit, but some of the newer ones have 14-bit depth. Nevertheless, they're all wider in bit depth than an ordinary 8-bit image.

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Lyle Romer
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posted 10-19-2009 01:36 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
I wrote that comment Friday evening. We watched the Oklahoma Sooners lose to Miami Saturday night on that TV set. I was so annoyed at the offensive coordinator of OU calling so damned many draw plays and hardly ever allowing Landy Jones to do what he is good at doing: throwing the football. It's as if the Sooners coaching staff deliberately wanted the team to lose.

I watched the game with my super duper 10k HD own eyes from my season seats. Don't be mad at the offensive coordinator. Other than the one play (after the BS roughing the punter call) where there was a horrible uncalled holding that allowed a run down to the 3 yard line, Oklahoma was unable to run at all against Miami's front. That allowed us to make some adjustments in the secondary and hold the passing game in check.

If we weren't playing (due to injuries) with a converted wide reciever at Cornerback (#9), Jones would have had even more trouble passing as probably half his yards were throwing at #9.

Anyway to get sort of back on topic, the game looked bright and crisp live at the stadium. Sorry Bobby, when I saw your comment I just had to gloat a little especially after I travelled to Oklahoma 2 years ago to watch my 'Canes get destroyed.

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