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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 10-14-2009 03:39 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's because it is good, just like the first one.

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Mark J. Marshall
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 - posted 10-14-2009 06:40 PM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't some of these players run on Linux? Coulda swore that I read that somewhere.

If that's true, it's kind of ironic that there's no Linux player yet.

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 10-14-2009 07:23 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Regarding loading speed...
quote: Joe Redifer
I find it funny that dedicated consumer electronics can't even compete with a friggin' videogame system. How pathetic.
Maybe it's because they know kids are impatient and will hammer the buttons to smithereens if they don't respond instantly. (I've seen what kids can do to car stereos.)

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 10-14-2009 09:25 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mark J. Marshall
Don't some of these players run on Linux? Coulda swore that I read that somewhere.
Prior the recent PS3 firmware update (which added Rainbow Brite™ disco sprinkles to the wave theme) it was possible to hack a PS3 box to run Linux in a dual boot setup. That's no longer the case.

Another point to mention regarding PS3 loading speed, the processing power of a PS3 console is far more powerful than any standalone BD player. I think that's the primary factor on why the PS3 works so great as a Blu-ray player. The PS3 is marked down well below what it costs to make the thing, with Sony expecting to make up for the huge losses on PS3 hardware from individual PS3 game sales.

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Aaron Garman
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Love the PS3: it's too functional for my needs and fast. I wish there was a front display but I'd rather take fast load times.

Bobby, interesting point on the various compression models. Just today at work we were viewing a Blu ray in the cinema, and we saw what we thought was moiré on screen. Very strange artifact.

Not to say the whole thing was awful, but light years beyond DVD on the same screen.

I'd say we were projecting about 20' worth of image.

AJG

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Bobby Henderson
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Moiré on screen? Y'know, that may not be a problem with the Blu-ray release itself. Often moiré can occur when a film element (or paper/reflective element) is scanned at slightly too low a level of resolution to resolve certain bits of detail in the image.

Intricate patterns on items like clothing or wall decorations, "frequency sweeps" like that seen in fences or striped carpet patterns receding into the distance and other details can be a big problem in image acquisition. Going to a higher resolution and later down-sampling often solves many problems, but doesn't always work either.

Sometimes you'll scan at a higher resolution and then still have strange moiré problems present when down-sampling to the target resolution. The moral to that story is "knowing better" on what sorts of stuff to include in the set decorations and costumes. Any costumes with a lot of vertical or horizontal stripes SUCK ASS. When in doubt, dress your actors in solid color clothing or outfits with simple color schemes. Paint the walls on the set solid. Go with solid color carpeting. Don't dig a hole for yourself. When I was on an MTV game show in 1990 I was very specifically told well in advance, do NOT wear a striped shirt.

I really really hate it when someone brings me an image to scan that was published via an offset printer. Halftone screens are just pure hell to deal with. I can eliminate some of the moiré by rotating the printed image by 15° or 30° in the scanning bed. That gets some of the darker printing plate screens to match up better with the square pixel grid. Still, you have to blend out halftone dots and do so without some strange grid like pattern being left behind in the image. Working in L*a*b mode, selectively blurring the "a" and "b" channels while doing less to the lightness channel can sometimes work wonders. Unfortunately, generally speaking if someone brings you a halftone screened color image to scan, you're screwed if you intend to get great image quality out of it. Shoot really high or really low with the scan resolution and then be prepared to use a lot of blurring and despeckling steps to get something that doesn't look like ass.

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Joe Redifer
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Moire can even happen during the, umm, filming process when shooting digitally. Even if the movie is shot on film, it can moire when projected via digital cinema, especially at the wimpy 2K resolution.

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Scott Norwood
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I've also seen moire issues with LCD video projectors and perforated screens. Certain combinations of lens, image size, and screen material are particularly bad, and there seems to be no way to predict whether a particular combination will cause issues.

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