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Joe Redifer
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posted 06-29-2011 06:27 PM

Yeah I can't imagine anyone not buying it because it isn't 7.1. I'd certainly buy it as 5.1. I also agree that the GCI has held up very well. They took their time doing that one. Current CGI looks too soft and fuzzy to me.

That said, Nightmare before Christmas made it to 7.1 with spectacular results.

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Brad Miller
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posted 06-29-2011 09:41 PM

quote: Claude S. Ayakawa
Wonderful things can be done when a movie track is remixed for home video from existing original sound elements such as DIRTY HARRY which was released in mono but now features a fantastic 5.1 stereo track on Blu-Ray and DVD.

If the original movie was mono, then it is possible that if they have access to the original elements that they could make a better mix...but leave the original theatrical 6 channel mixes alone!!!

Seriously, there are some movies that are remixed for a small room and they SUCK!

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Aaron Garman
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posted 06-30-2011 12:17 AM

+1 Brad.

Mission: Impossible comes to mind. If the LD was the real deal 6 channel mix, then everything since has definitely been re-mixed.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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posted 07-03-2011 01:18 PM

quote: Joe Redifer

Yeah I can't imagine anyone not buying it because it isn't 7.1. I'd certainly buy it as 5.1. I also agree that the GCI has held up very well. They took their time doing that one. Current CGI looks too soft and fuzzy to me.

That said, Nightmare before Christmas made it to 7.1 with spectacular results.

Even 'Fantasia 2000' sounded mighty impressive in 7.1

technically, Universal should do what Disney/Pixar did with 'Toy Story 3' in that the bluray edition has both the 7.1 AND the 5.1 soundmix on the same disc.

I'm hoping the extra surrounds are in the 90% (side) position and not flush with the left surround/right surround channels.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 08-31-2011 04:39 PM

Aaron - Are you still hyped about this?

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Aaron Garman
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posted 10-25-2011 12:34 AM

Well I've got it and running it now. Early observations:

-No DTS trailer. As if there was going to be one though.
-Image is pretty grainy but the best I've seen it at home.
-The re-mix is very very evident. It doesn't sound bad per se, but really different so far. They seem to have added echo to voice in certain spaces, like the visitor center lobby, and changed levels dramatically. Certain lines of dialogue are now louder than what I've heard, as well as many surround effects. Perhaps the surrounds being louder is a result of me watching at 7.1 mix in 5.1.

This raises an issue: this movie isn't THAT old. Why the hell can't they include the original sound mix? I'd imagine the master is still in existence. I blame the craze to add more channels of sound to the home theatre as causing this debacle. If 5.1 was all there was, we'd have gotten the original mix, perfect in lossless.

I'm kind of grumpy, but not surprised that this has happened.

Looks like my DTS LaserDisc is still relevant. [Smile]

AJG

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-25-2011 03:12 AM

How are the subwoofer levels?

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John Wilson
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posted 10-25-2011 04:29 AM

quote: Aaron Garman
Looks like my DTS LaserDisc is still relevant.

If they haven't changed the vision or audio framerates in any way, you could introduce the laserdisc sound to the vision of the Blu.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-25-2011 05:45 PM

Wow, the packaging sure sucks. Blu-rays are now just as bad as DVDs in this regard. They have perfectly sturdy boxes that already exist yet they choose this cardboard crap. Or worse, the steelbook nonsense that's over an inch taller than the rest of your Blu-rays. There is no decent packaging option. At least with the Star Wars movies, there was. I don't care if the Super Deluxe Ultra Special Champion Edition comes in a box shaped like a dinosaur head and includes a fossilized dino turd for the really idiotic collectors to buy, but give us plebes normal plastic boxes, please. Damn Hollywood hippies, the world has no use for you. Also, cardboard kills more trees (which is the only GOOD thing about these boxes, because I hate trees).

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Aaron Garman
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posted 10-25-2011 10:06 PM

The subwoofer levels were good. Different again, but good. Anyone know how to get a set of the 6-track CD-ROMS to do a TRUE comparison? [Smile]

AJG

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Manny Knowles
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posted 10-26-2011 03:21 PM

Call Steven. I'm sure he's got a set you could borrow. [Big Grin]

Considering how frequently repertory theatres are being told to "just run the Bluray" it is very important to retain the original mix. Even if it was mono (like the original Terminator).

Especially since the format allows for multiple track versions. Why not release with both the original and the remix?

Space issues, you say?

Who really needs the French dub anyway??? [evil]

As for the effects, I've often said that CGI peaked with JP.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 10-26-2011 03:54 PM

Those foreign tracks are at 768kb/s too.

Silly Universal.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-26-2011 04:49 PM

Anyone else notice that you are made to sit through a Universal logo THREE TIMES? Is this really necessary? Their logo sucks, too. It's loud as shit and has some really crappy music. At least the third time was silent. Fuck, you, Universal. Fuck you all to hell. How the hell do I contact them about this bullshit?

Also, was Jurassic Park 3 a direct-to-DVD movie? Or did it somehow actually get a theatrical release?

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Aaron Garman
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posted 10-26-2011 05:31 PM

I dig the Universal logo, but it had NO place in front of this movie the way it was. The 1993 logo was tasteful and welcomed.

A release like this really makes me wonder who is in charge of such things. These lackeys in their marketing department have no sense of taste or class or even historical perspective when presenting a classic film such as this. Sure, they probably want to have their product "branded" but to run two Universal tags in a row really ruins the mood of the film that is coming up and makes the whole company look like an idiot.

They should have thrown the DTS Digital Experience trailer in front of it to make this release ten times better.

I'm still peeved enough at the lack of the original mix, I'd like to learn how to make my own custom disc with the original mix. Something tells me I couldn't do it with a MacBook Air though.

EDIT:

As to not have two posts in a row, here is the letter I sent to Universal Home Entertainment.

quote:
Dear Universal,

I want to thank you very much for releasing Jurassic Park on Blu-ray. I was about 11 when it was released and it had a huge impact on me going forward. The magic of this movie inspired my love for films and I definitely consider it my favorite film, ever. To see it in high definition and have a nice assortment of extras is a real treat.

I am very sad to see that the original, award winning, and historic 5.1 mix was not included on this release. I can understand releasing the film with a new 7.1 sound mix for consumers with those setups, but to blatantly leave the original mix off of this release is a downright shame to film lovers and those who would like to appreciate the work that went into that original mix.

This is part of a growning trend in the home entertainment arena, and it is very unfortunate. Films not only entertain us, but they capture a very distinct moment in time that can live on forever. To not include something that was originally part of a film for the sake of "new technology" is troubling. Gary Rydstrom along with many other artist spent countless hours tweeking and refining the mix we heard in 1993, and throwing a lot of that work to the side is wrong. Given the significance of the film's mix, being the first film in DTS, any honest and estute home video department would make sure this is preserved for the years to come.

I hope my grievance reaches you well, and I also hope any future release of the film has the original mixes presented. To do otherwise seems cheap and lacking any sort of real perspective on a given film and its history in our culture.

Sincerely,

Aaron Garman

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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-26-2011 06:36 PM

I agree with the content of your letter, but I'd shorten it up and make it to the point. I don't think people reading those have a lot of time. That's why I always puzzle over someone writing multi-paged diatribes to their senator/congressman.

My letter might be like this:

quote:
Dead Universal,

Thanks for releasing Jurassic Park on Blu-ray. But really, do we need two loud and unskippable Universal logos before the movie begins which has its own Universal logo? This is just ridiculous.

Also, with all of the space that Blu-ray has, why not include the award-winning 5.1 theatrical sound mix? Obviously you paid to remix the movie into 7.1. Was that cost-effective for you? At least give the option of the original mix, losslessly.

Fuck you very much
-JS Redifer, ESQ

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