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Author Topic: SCHINDLER'S LIST is magnificent on Blu Ray Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-07-2013 12:29 AM                     ultrasonic  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-07-2013 01:25 AM                     Mike, The prints from Deluxe in California were ultrasonic, and as always those were the good prints. (Not as good as Technicolor's prints, but this was Deluxe's best lab.) The prints from Deluxe in Canada were made with 8 perf tape, and those prints sucked just as everything that ever came out of that lab did. Most everyone, with exceptions, in the eastern half of the US got shafted week after week with the shitty Canada prints. You know it's bad when people like Spielberg insist a few hundred prints for the prime theaters were struck at Technicolor...even though the studio's account was exclusively with Deluxe.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-07-2013 02:07 AM                     You kids no nothing about color/black&white splicing. The master of that was Zelig  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 03-07-2013 03:15 AM                     We had a long run with Schindler's List and eventually used 3 prints, the B&W stock turned to powder, fond memories of cleaning the projectors thoroughly after each change over every hour and the prints slowly getting very dirty. Our third print was the green biased color stock. What was strange was that each print had different worded text about what happened to the people involved just before the end credits. From memory we weren't allowed to have an interval added to the show.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-07-2013 08:33 AM                     quote: Brad Miller We had EK #8 of Schindler's List and it was black and white with color sections spliced in. It looked absolutely magnificent, and even though I haven't seen the bluray, I'm quite sure it looked better. I watched that print at GCC Northpark 1-2 at the end of 1993. The print did look great. The sound was also very good too. The reels with color footage added (in the movie's beginning, near the end and the scene with the girl wearing the red coat) had a noticeably different look. IIRC the color stock had a slightly cool perhaps blue cast to it and the contrast wasn't as deep as the black and white stock. A funny thing in acquiring and printing imagery, we do the opposite thing with black and white material. A black and white negative or print is best scanned in full color and output on any sort of printed media that way. The black areas will be much deeper than it would if you're working with only one color channel (black as opposed to RGB/CMYK) and printing only with black ink. The downside of this is everything must be properly adjusted to avoid any color cast from invading the image. The slightest shift will be noticeable.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-07-2013 12:27 PM                        quote: Mike Blakesley Were your splices tape or ultrasonic? Ours were taped. I want to say taped but I am not 100% sure. The movie was built up before I was employed at that theater and I don't think I was the one to break it down. Also, for clarity I meant "pretentious" in my last post, not "prestigious". Sometimes my vocabulary gets ... can't think of the word.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-07-2013 12:56 PM                        The other one that deserves a mention here is A Matter of Life and Death. The prints were all on Technicolor IB stock, but the black-and-white sections were printed through one matrix only with key image dye (i.e. black). They even dreamt up a new name for it: the opening credits state that the movie was made in Technicolor and "dye monochrome". I suspect that this was done purely to avoid having to assemble release prints with dozens of cement splices in each reel (even assuming they didn't come apart after repeated projections, the pop on the soundtrack at each join would have ruined the movie). I have seen a 1940s nitrate print of it projected and the b/w scenes look sh!te - there is a hue that varies between reels, ranging from greenish to blueish.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-07-2013 01:54 PM                     Bobby, the DTS discs were black with silver lettering, instead of the other way 'round. That might explain the great sound. Actually, not all of them were black. I ran this movie a few times and, eventually, I stopped seeing the fancy ones. Imagine my disappointment.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-07-2013 03:10 PM                        Do you mean silver with black lettering? I never saw a black DTS disk, except the occasional trailer one.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-07-2013 08:40 PM                     You can see an image of one of the black discs in this thread.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-08-2013 12:50 AM                     That was probably a remastered disc to deal with the difference in sub level. All discs stamped with "SMPTE RP200" were different.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-08-2013 02:39 AM                     Ah. Of course. I completely forgot about that. Hard to believe this stuff is 20 years old. In some ways, it seems like yesterday...and then I'm reminded that certain little details have started to fade.  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 03-09-2013 06:02 PM                     quote: Leo Enticknap The other one that deserves a mention here is A Matter of Life and Death. I've only run a nitrate print here in Australia, and it looked amazing. We did no realize it was nitrate until we broke it down It had a six week season on all made up and run off a tower  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-09-2013 06:33 PM                        I only watched the first forty five minutes of the blu ray of SCHINDLER 'S LIST when I commented about it the other day but I spent all of last night watching the entire film and "VOICES FROM THE LIST" and all I can say is "Wow"! Of all the black and white movies I have on blu ray, I consider SCHINDLER'S LIST among the top five when it comes to image quality. I always thought the dvd that was part of the special collection in the plastic case outstanding but on the scale of One to Ten with the bd scoring a perfect ten, the dvd in my opinion rates a 6 when I checked it after I watched the movie on blu ray. For some reason, the dvd that came with the bd is not same as the special edition dvd. i checked that one too and the dvd picture quality in the new set is almost unwatchable scoring about 3 or 4. The only good thing about the dvds in the bd set is the movie is split on two separate discs while the special edition dvd is a double sided single disc. I also have the special numbered edition of SCHINDLER'S LIST on laserdisc but because I had disconnected the player from my AV system, I was not able to check it's picture quality but I can assume the picture quality on the special edition dvd to be better. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Goeldner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1360 From: Washington, District of Columbia Registered: Jun 2008 posted 03-09-2013 09:17 PM                     ^ DTS 'laserdisc' sound though is better than DVD audio and in some cases better than bluray.  |  IP: Logged

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