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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 04-22-2011 08:11 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
more than 97 percent of a film.s theatrical gross is earned within the first eight weeks of release
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quote: Jonathan M. Crist
only 3 percent of the audience watches a film after it has been in theaters for eight weeks
The second statement does not logically follow the first, as theatres that show a film late in its run typically charge less than first-run houses.

That aside, I'm sort of ambivalent about this whole thing. On one hand, it will definitely hurt crappy theatres, but I don't have much sympathy for them. I do think that the price is high enough to make potential customers think twice about watching a movie on a home TV set versus seeing it on the big screen. I would like to think that the best theatres provide sufficent additional value (really good picture, sound, and customer service) that customers would prefer to see films there, given the choice.

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Mike Blakesley
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The danger is that a lot of people just don't care where they see a movie. They just want to see it. If it's only in the theatres, they will go to the theatre. If it's available on their 32" TV with the crappy surround system for $9.99 they'll see it there. If it's available for $1.99 on their iPhone they'll see it there.

These are people who don't care that one way is better than the others -- they only care about the convenience and, to a slightly lesser extent, the price. That's why the VOD program in its current form probably won't hurt exhibition too much, because the price is too high and the time-frame after release is too long. And, there are not enough devices to see the movies with -- you have to be a DirecTV subscriber with an HD box.

When they start to tweak it by dropping the price, offering it on more devices and shortening the window further, that's when the damage will start happening.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Mike Blakesley
The danger is that a lot of people just don't care where they see a movie. They just want to see it.
It is truly unfortunate that so many cinema owners have this poor attitude.

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Brad Miller
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This is going to be hotel room VOD all over again. It would be SO EASY for someone to pirate that movie it isn't even funny. I'll bet within a couple of days of the VOD release it will be all over the torrent sites. (There has to be someone on these boards up on how to find torrents...check for me please and let us know.)

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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Brad, I had a quick look online and 'Just Go With It' is already available as a torrent. The copy is what is called an 'R5' so I guess about screener DVD quality, have never downloaded one myself. Not sure I would pay $30 just to see that film in HD.

My personal worry is that something comes on premium VOD before we release it theatrically in the UK, it inevitably gets pirated at HD quality, and we lose out at the box office.

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Bobby Henderson
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That's been my big complaint about the 60 day window. Other theatrical release platforms are going to be severely hurt by it. Bargain/2nd run in North America and international release would lose customers.

My guess is the studio bean counters and their bean counters bosses in the parent global media companies want a movie production to pay for its production costs as fast as possible. Narrowing release windows or even eliminating time differences between them are a big part of the game. Movie studios borrow a lot of money to fund various productions and pay interest on those loans until the loans are paid back in full. They want to pay as little interest as possible. They would probably like the same advertising campaign to cover both theatrical and home video release rather than having to do two separate advertising blasts for theatrical release and then home video 3 or 4 months later.

The time is long gone where a movie could be released in theaters, go through various theatrical release platforms and still have several months or more pass before it appeared on video. Back then it could take a movie as long as a year or more to go from theatrical release to home video. Now the 1 year time span can see a movie do its theatrical run, video release, appearance on premium cable and then broadcast or commercial cable TV.

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Scott Jentsch
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From his comments, I would imagine Kenneth Ziffren would think that putting a Redbox outside a movie theater would be a really good idea. [Roll Eyes]

I've long held the belief that far too many movie theaters have relied on their exclusivity as a crutch. Many theaters don't deserve the opportunity they are being given by the studios, and for a larger number of reasons, studios are getting more aggressive about taking that opportunity away. This is something I've been predicting for years, even though it could mean the decline of my own publication that I have dedicated a large portion of my life to.

What Ziffren doesn't seem to understand is that the tightening of the home video release window affects the perception in people's minds about how long they'll have to wait to see the movie if they don't go to a theater to see it.

When a person sees a TV commercial for Fast Five, I think they make a value judgement about whether the movie is worth seeing in the theater, or waiting until it's available for home viewing. Using the 100-day window, the movie won't be in stores until the beginning of August, and might not be available on Redbox or Netflix until the beginning of September (I think people will use the earlier date in their heads, and when it shows up in the Best Buy ad, they think about whether it's worth buying, or putting it on their Netflix queue and waiting another four weeks).

What kind of assistance is NATO providing its members, if anything? Are they producing information about how to attract more people, how to improve the moviegoing experience, and distributing information about approaches that have and haven't worked for other theaters? Are they doing anything beyond posturing in a few press releases and quotes in the media?

If they aren't, that's a shame. Lacking that, hopefully there can be some grassroots efforts on the part of theaters in forums like this (however, if there are, I haven't seen many to date).

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Martin Brooks
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quote: Jonathan M. Crist
As previously speculated, DirecTV will charge a household $29.99 to view a film in HD and turn over 80 percent of that “box office” to the studio. Statistics compiled by nonpartisan research firms reveal that more than 97 percent of a film’s theatrical gross is earned within the first eight weeks of release; in fact, check the April 1-3 box-office chart, and you’ll find that none of the films earning more than $1 million has lasted 56 days. Thus, the exercise should have only a limited impact on a film’s performance in theaters.
That's not the point. The point is that if people know they can see a film 60 days from theatrical premiere, many will stop going to the movies at all and will wait for the VOD. And the most important thing for the industry is for people to stay in the habit of going to the movies.

Also, windows have been shrinking forever. What makes you think that it's going to stay at 60 days and $30 or just on DirectTV? Movies used to not be available on VHS until a year after theatrical release. Now it's on DVD/BD in just a few months from premiere. This is the beginning of the end of theatrical distribution. They'll still be a few theatres in large cities and populated suburbs, just as there are a few legitimate theatres in most cities, but most of them will disappear.

The studios see this as more money up front. The execs only care about the revenues in the next quarter. Few of them expect to keep their jobs more than a year or two. The problem is that it's theatrical distribution that gives movies their credibility. Without that, budgets will drop and movies will start to look a lot more like cable TV: there a few good shows on Showtime and HBO and everything else looks like "Auction Hunters".

In the studio's defense, fewer people go to the movies regularly. In 1946, 61% of the U.S. population every week. By 1978, it was down to 10.36%. In 2010, it fell to 25.4 million weekly admissions representing 8.24% of the population (and frankly, that number sounds suspiciously high to me.)

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Mike Blakesley
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But it makes no sense to debate those percentages. In the 1940s, outside of things like sports events and saloons, there was literally NO other way to get entertained outside the house, unless you lived in a big city where live entertainment was featured. There was radio and that was it.

In the 60s, the TV "bloom" had faded somewhat but there still weren't a lot of options outside the home. If you wanted to see the hot movie before everyone forgot about it, it had to be in a movie theatre.

Things are completely different now. Not only are there a multitude of ways to get entertained wherever you are, but you can see the EXACT SAME THING wherever you are. Want to watch "The Office" at work or at home or on your iPod or on your car stereo or on your, I don't know, wristwatch TV? No problem!

So it's dumb to go into all these percentages of how many people are going to the movies. There is only so much pie to go around. The pie keeps getting sliced more and more, is all. You have to compare apples to apples.

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Adam Martin
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I noticed a torrent of Adjustment Bureau popped up yesterday, specifically labelled "PPVRIP".

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Tony Gallimore
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Why in the world would these "seasoned" executives think I, or anyone else for that matter, would be willing to pay $30 to see a movie on VOD when 30 days prior I can go to the local theatre and see it on the big screen for less than half of that $30? And the theatre will pop the popcorn for me as well. Besides, that $30 is just a drop in the bucket since I don't have DirecTV, and you and I know who will pay to buy all that equipment to receive their signal. I don't wish to question their business plan here, but zombies come to mind. Maybe I've missed something... I'd better get back to my Starz movie before I say something controversal.

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Chris Slycord
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They likely assumed that someone spending $30 would have the rest of their family come into the room to watch so they get their money's worth...

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Frank Cox
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DirecTV CEO says price is too high

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DirecTV CEO Says $30 Price for Premium Films Is ‘Too High’
By Alex Sherman - Sep 22, 2011

DirecTV (DTV) Chief Executive Officer Michael White said demand for films offered for rental just eight weeks after their theatrical release has been “small” because the price of $29.99 per movie is “awfully high.”

DirecTV, the largest U.S. satellite-TV provider, began offering some Hollywood studio films on demand in April for $29.99 after 60 days. Historically, pay-TV providers had waited 90 to 120 days before airing movies on television.

The service is part of an attempt by studios to harness pay-TV as they seek new ways to sell movies and counter shrinking DVD sales. Few customers will purchase the premium rentals unless the quality of the movies improves and the price comes down, White said in an interview.

“They’re priced too high for consumers,” White said. “We didn’t choose that price, but that’s where the studios forced us to be.”

DirecTV Executive Vice President Derek Chang said in April the El Segundo, California-based company would consider renegotiating with studios on price if customers didn’t embrace the service. The early offerings, which have included “Just Go With It” and “The Adjustment Bureau,” have sparked criticism from theater owners, who are concerned they will lose revenue to home-viewers.

Sony Corp. (6758), Universal Pictures, Warner Bros. and Twentieth Century Fox have agreed to release certain films in the early window. Lions Gate Entertainment Corp. will offer the Taylor Lautner film “Abduction” on pay TV three months after its release for $6.99.

DirecTV hasn’t released sales figures for the $29.99 titles. Comcast Corp. (CMCSA) and Dish Network Corp. (DISH) have also said they’ve negotiated with studios for on-demand movies with a shortened window.

DirecTV fell 59 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $41.02 at 4 p.m. New York time on the Nasdaq Stock Market. The shares have risen 2.7 percent this year.

Note the quote "DirecTV Executive Vice President Derek Chang said in April the El Segundo, California-based company would consider renegotiating with studios on price if customers didn’t embrace the service."

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Joe Redifer
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Hey wait, I thought this would have destroyed movie theaters by now.

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Frank Angel
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Other way around -- the fact that this was a stupid idea distroyed VOP in 5 months.

By the way, the few films that I have seen downloaded from torrent sites all had the hotel logo on them, so yah, the hotel VOD seems to be a major leak in the studio's security levy doesn't seem to be holding; not for nuthin, but their tentpoles are flowing right through it.

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