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Author Topic: 3D TV is officially dead as Sony and LG stop making sets Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-21-2017 10:01 AM                     quote: Scott Norwood Question: my only 3D experiences have been in movie theatres, using either cardboard glasses (1950s style) or modern Imax or Real-D plastic glasses. Are the glasses that are used for 3D TV sets heavier or more awkward than these? The battery powered LCD shutter glasses for my Samsung HDTV set are pretty light. They're no heavier than a regular pair of sunglasses. They connect to the TV via Bluetooth. I just wish the battery life was better in these things. That and the high cost of the Blu-ray 3D movie discs are big turn-offs. I chose the 65" HDTV set I have for other reasons than the 3D capability. I only have half a dozen 3D movies.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-21-2017 10:12 AM                        quote: Steve Guttag The newer 6P systems from Christie and Barco use even larger frames (and different glasses because the primaries are different from the xenon systems). The 3-D glasses for our Barco laser are actually made for Barco by Dolby and use exactly the same frames as the Dolby ones for the DFC100 + filter wheel system at our other theater. Put the two pairs side by side, and they look identical apart from the lenses. The advantages of the Barco laser system are that no extra equipment is needed in, or connected to, the projector, and no more light output capability than 2-D is needed: it has the ability to project 3-D "out of the box." The disadvantage is that the glasses are almost twice as expensive per pair.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 02-21-2017 01:22 PM                        In my opinion, the Samsung active glasses I use at home seem to me a little lighter than the Real D and Dolby glasses I use in a theatre. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-21-2017 03:03 PM                     Odd...the frames I've seen for the 6P systems were larger. Perhaps that was just at the shows. I know that Infitec has larger frames.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 02-21-2017 04:52 PM                     Infitec always had different sizes, but for the initial Infitec/Dolby 3D filter wheel systems, Dolby only produced or 'chose' the smallest glass size for obvious cost reasons. I remember you could buy the larger Infitec glasses at prices of more than 150US$, I still have one of their brochures. I always found these small glass types and the patent/license/price limitations for 'going bigger' the largest issue with Dolby 3D. The Barco/IMAX 3D laser glasses I have seen and worn do in fact use these larger frames. It may be that some locations use different types, prototype series, whatever. http://uhd4k.fi/2016/06/03/tennispalatsi-1n-totaalinen-muodonmuutos/barco-laser-3d-glasses-01/ https://www.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/IMG_8786-620x413.jpg I have not yet seen the glasses Dolby uses in their own Dolby Cinema installations. This report seems to indicate they use the same type of frame with larger glasses as Barco and IMAX. http://www.myfilmviews.com/2014/12/22/dolby-cinema-next-big-thing-movie-theater/ - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 03-09-2017 12:31 AM                     My new LG TV got here last week; the 3D on it is MUCH better than that of my old Sharp TV! This is how home 3D always should have been- low-cost glasses that don't need charging and aren't obtrusive while wearing them (I can even still look around the room at my cats with them on!) and a clear BRIGHT picture, brighter than the past few 3D showings I saw at theaters! LG is absolutely nuts to kill the technology now when they've got it just about right. It has 4K too and I did get a 4K disc player, but as long as that format is only in 2D I don't care too much about it.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-13-2017 12:33 PM                        100% agreed, Jesse -- before I stopped going to see 3D movies in any RealDim 3D theatre (and I've tried many in my area), I came to the conclusion that no RD3D presentation looked as good as what I was able to get with my large screen LG TV (passive polaroid - ironically using RealD 3D glasses from the theatre), or with a projected 3D image from a JVC D-ILA projector. Of course that is an apples/oranges comparison as it is MUCH easier to get a bright image on a screen that is 1/10th the size of a commercial cinema screen, but the fact remains just as you said and you are right on the money, why discontinue the home 3D technology when it is about as good as anyone would want and better than what those 3D titles look like in the theatre. Plus, 3D TV technology doesn't add much to the manufacturing cost at all. And the big downside of course is that without a continuing and expanding home 3D market, I can't see the studios continuing to press 3D BR discs just for the small niche home market that is left -- a real shame. I am buying an extra 3D BR player...maybe two and keep them unopened in the closet just for the time when the ones I have die; I will then still be able to play my 3D library. I am sure the production of 3D-capable players will go the way of the laserdisc player as well.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-18-2017 08:26 PM                        Laserdisc players were in production for longer than I thought. Just before I left Britain (so around 2012), I helped someone find one who wanted to make preservation copies of a bunch of corporate training videos that were originally distributed on laserdiscs. I expected to have to buy used equipment on Ebay, but astonishingly, found that new players were still easily available, even for PAL. I believe that the last commercially published discs of mainstream studio titles ended in 1999 or 2000. She chose to make the preservation copies on digibeta, which, ironically, will probably be a harder format to find working playback hardware for in 50 years' time than laserdisc (not to mention the fact that there is a much higher chance of the tapes succumbing to chemical decomposition than the discs - if they've survived 30 years free of laser rot, they're probably good more or less forever, assuming low humidity storage, which she had) ... but that's another story.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 03-20-2017 11:21 PM                     3D capability in Blu-Ray players seems as trivial as DTS capability was in regular DVD players (the first generation of players couldn't output DTS tracks due to the way it worked- the players after that could identify the track as DTS and send it out as such. After that ALL DVD players could output DTS, even if not everyone had a DTS sound system.) Granted I don't know exactly how 3D support works but it seems about as un-complex. Hopefully 3D won't go away entirely but in any case players should always be able to output a 3D signal. I don't know why there are any players today that can't- that probably has had at least some impact on the slow adoption rate of 3D. Speaking of laserdisc players, in the late 80s there was a CD-Video or "CDV" format, where you had a five-minute music video on a standard sized CD along with 20 minutes of audio that could play on any CD player. These were only out for a couple years, but ALL laserdisc players made up til the very end could still play these discs. It would've been silly to drop support for them in later players even if no more discs were being made.  |  IP: Logged Terry Monohan Master Film Handler Posts: 379 From: San Francisco CA USA Registered: May 2014 posted 04-25-2017 07:49 AM                     My Samsung curved 3-D screen looks so hot. I always enjoy showing It off to people that have never seen 3D TV and the movie'The Bubble' when a ladder comes 15 feet out of my screen into the living room. It's all the movie studios fault that they tried to do the cheap way on most of the 3-D movies out these days by just filming in 2-D then doing a computer conversion to make It look 3-D to save shooting and editing $$$. I must admit some of these fake 3-D movies did have some things coming off the screen and also had some depth but most are bad news. Imax 3-D still looks great and I think It will be around for many years with popular new movies. The public will pay extra to see something done right. The old TV makers just want to come out with something new to sell to make more money and most of us are happy with what we have now. Iam buying a extra 3-D TV now when they have them and the prices are low as a backup set or may put It in my bedroom.  |  IP: Logged

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