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Topic: Beauty And The Beast in 70mm
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Mark Lensenmayer
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From: Upper Arlington, OH
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posted 10-10-2001 07:54 AM
Adam, I missed that on the BATB site...thanks for finding it.The list is too long to post here, but you can find it on the BATB site Adam listed above under "TICKETS". Two surprises from the list. It is booked into a number of dome theatres, and none of the Sony theatres (NY, Chicago, SF) are currently listed. Mark L.
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John Walsh
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posted 10-19-2001 10:49 PM
For what it's worth, the Oddessy large format (15/70) theater we own got a Beauty and the Beast trailer (it was added to the beginning of Whales.)I was worried about seeing too much grain since it was not originally film in 15/70, but, as Frank Zappa said, "Not a speck of cereal!" So they must have gone back and re-done it. If the whole movie is like the trailer, there's no problem. Also did my first large format theater servicing (changed an unbelievably heavy HF driver.) It's a bit unnerving to climb up 30 feet of screen, just to get to the left speaker which is only half-way up. There's a center-top speaker, which I hope lasts a long time. 
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Mark Lensenmayer
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posted 10-20-2001 02:16 PM
Charles Everett said, "Mark L: Sony IMAX is now called Loews IMAX."Thank you for the correction, Charles. I used the link www.sonyimax.com, and didn't look closely at the names. www.loewsimax.com doesn't seem to work. Mark L.
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John Walsh
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posted 10-20-2001 11:35 PM
I have a feeling that it will be avaible in both 15/70 and 8/70. The advertisment for the film reads something like; "Comming to IMAX and other large format theaters.."We don't have an IMAX theater, so we can't advertise IMAX. There are a few other IMAX "knock-offs" which is why they advertise it as something other than IMAX. It would be good if you can find out if the format is 15/70 or 8/70 before you pay. In the BATB trailer, they show the ballroom scene. I think the background (walls, windows, columns, etc.) were done digitally, while the charactors were drawn with traditional animation. Interestingly, the background looked poor compared to the charactors. Not grainy, but a little too far out of focus, and "false" somehow... purely subjective on my part, I admit.....
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Ian Parfrey
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posted 01-02-2011 06:17 AM
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But talking theatre as just an advertising market for DVD, cable and rental... it will be hard.
Tom.
Stefan here has summed up the situation very well indeed.
The only commercially successful large format, Imax, is hell bent on totally fucking up what was once a bankable, QUALITY product.
For fucks sake, why do blow ups to Imax?? It makes NO sense quality-wise, and is frankly a rip-off, to do these piss-weak 'attempts' at large format.
If you have the greatest format ever invented in cinema, then damn-well shoot the stuff in large format. Trying to cut corners and save the almighty $ but doing blowups reeks of abject stupidity.
Its like getting a Porche and running it on kero.
Oh well, by now the suits at Imax have almost ground any bankable goodwill into the ground and will soon be, as Stefan says, just an advert for the Blu-ray release.
What a fucking crock.
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-02-2011 03:44 PM
The "suits" have messed up things across much of the entertainment industry.
The obsession of being faster (and cheaper) via "digital" has led to a decline in image quality standards in movies. IMAX Digital is one example of this. It's an insult to the intelligence of customers.
The music industry has its own horror show in quality standards. Music is mastered with the audio badly overdriven and clipped. The prominence of iTunes and lossy data compressed music has compounded the problem. What's the point of even bothering to buy "audiophile" quality stereo gear anymore when the music source sounds like shit regardless of what is used to play it?
The television broadcast industry has been infected with the drive to show "unscripted" programs rather than pay more money to produce dramas and comedies that require talented writers, actors, etc. to create the product. There's little wonder why HBO wins so many Emmy awards. The major broadcast networks are hardly trying anymore. Broadcast journalism is all but dead; it has been replaced by talking heads throwing around their opinions and propaganda.
Blu-ray disc has great potential in the home, if it's used to its fullest potential. Unfortunately it isn't in many cases. Warner Bros. is a frequent offender in needlessly over-compressing its movies down to the lowest possible bit rates. Then there's pressure from other outlets to squeeze data down further with the hope customers won't know or care about the difference. Dish Network, DirecTV and various cable companies present local channels and even some cable channels in "HD Lite" rather than a full 720p or 1080i image. Streaming movie services, like Netflix, squeeze the hell out of SD and HD quality material where it is inferior to DVD and Blu-ray content. The "HD" movies for sale/rent on AppleTV hardly even pass for SD DVD quality, much less 720p quality. The general public really needs to wake up already and realize "digital" does not guarantee perfect quality in an audio or video product.
Quality used to be a big deal in American products and services. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. "Good enough" is the new standard. Anyone who expects things like high quality or just having the damned job done right is just being some kind of an asshole now.
While our ethics have dropped in this nation the gap in quality is creating a big opportunity for creative businesses in other countries. The United States used to dominate in manufacturing things like cars, but we let that slip away due to not caring enough about quality. The same thing can certainly happen with the entertainment industry.
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Tom Petrov
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posted 01-02-2011 03:47 PM
quote: Ian Parfrey
Tom.
I wouldn't say that Imax (15/70 & 48 fps) is the highest quality format just for docos &tc. I would say it's the highest fidelity motion picture system on par with Showscan (5/70 @ 60 fps). Incidently, the first Showscan projectors were modified Century's. Ahhh, my beloved Century's. To see and hear 70mm @ 60 frames a second is one thing I will never forget.
You are correct in saying that there are difficulties in shooting Imax 15/70 and these can be summarised thus-:
* The most obvious one is camera size/weight. The rawstock alone weighs more than some complete camera systems.
* The limited depth of field due to frame size. This is most applicable to Showscan.
* Strobing due to the distances moved on the massive screens. Panning must be very slow in order to reduce strobing as much as possible as there were many early reports of nausea and some epilepsy in patrons. Object movement can move 6-8 feet in one frame to the next.
* Raw stock costs.
* Mechanical inertia of the stock in the magazines. This makes the aforementioned panning difficult in some circumstances and it has not been unknown for the inertia to rip a camera to pieces- ditto more so for Showscan.
It would actually be HARDER to shoot doco-style compared to a locked off studio shoot.
But for all their difficulties, my God the images are stunning! Now, THAT is something that NO home video setup will ever beat.*
Manny is so on the money there! That 'Follow the Money' mindset will kill off any ambition, originality and creativity left in the movie industry- and we will all be the poorer for it....except the suits. They always seem to get their bonuses before fleeing companies they screwed up.
"Coming Soon to a Theatre near you!..... Manny On The Money...rated PG"
*- The suits at Imax are doing there damndest to screw it up regardless.
To date there has not been a full IMAX Hollywood film. Right? Yes the images are stunning but the overall cost of all this is just way too much to make it really worthwhile.
Christopher Nolan is still using 70mm and is using IMAX for his Batman stuff, but he is a minority. Wait till he pumps out a huge "bomb" made on IMAX and his love for the format will end.
IMO, the most important aspect of a film is the story. You can have all the photography equipment you want but without a great story you have nothing. Black Swan is the best picture of the year IMO (I have not yet seen King Speech) and that was filmed on 16mm/7D.
Now, yes I loved my experience in 2001 and Playtime. These are the rare exceptions. But I do have to point out that the screen was average to large size and the theatre was out of the world "state-of-the-art"
Ideally, I think consumers want something in between standard 35mm and 70mm IMAX. The new IMAX theatres are doing extrodinary well thus the new AVX/ETX stuff.
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Mitchell Dvoskin
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posted 01-02-2011 04:59 PM
> To date there has not been a full IMAX Hollywood film. Right?
The first dramatic scripted 3D IMAX film was Wings Of Courage (1995) staring Elizabeth McGovern, Val Kilmer and Tom Hulce. At 40 minutes, you may or may not consider it a full Hollywood film, but it was quite well done.
quote: Wikipedia
Wings of Courage is a 1995 American-French drama film directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud. The 40-minute picture was written by Annaud with Alain Godard. It was the world's first dramatic picture shot in the IMAX-format. Additionally, it was the first 3D IMAX fiction film.
The film is an account of the real-life story of early airmail pilot Henri Guillaumet (Craig Sheffer), whose small plane crashes in the Andes, forcing him to trek back to civilization on foot. Meanwhile the story follows his family and friends at home, and their growing concern for him. Elizabeth McGovern, Val Kilmer and Tom Hulce also star.
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