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Author Topic: Question on Digital Cinema Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 01-29-2008 06:49 PM                     It's sensible and prudent to do both. Have your booth designed for both film and digital. It may also be a good idea (and this applies to Ron's original question) to explore a stand-alone business model for the D-Cinema equipment. A small premium on tickets for 3-D and alternative content (live concerts, sports, etc.) can be used as a revenue stream that pays for the equipment over a defined period. This means that the cinema owner remains in full control, and can choose the best outcome for their theatre. Also, financial projections can be done on the basis that there is now a known supply of 3-D titles in the pipeline, and you can employ the services of a reputable engineer / tech who is impartial and familiar with both film and digital equipment. quote: Roger Summars On the upside..... Since this happened, I have been able to get the booth crew interested in maintaining a cleaner booth, a cleaner projector, and generally a cleaner environment for ourselves and our equipment. Roger Congratulations! This is the kind of pro-active approach that works wonders. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 01-29-2008 07:32 PM                     Filmgard will also fix your problems ie dirt and light bass scratching, It really is an amazing product and does allow prints to be run 300 times at opening night quality! A lot cheaper than going digital! BRAD when are you going to produce the dolby style tags? quote: Adam Holland Also in the stage we are in would it be wise to go with a platter system or digital? If you have $100,000 dollars for it, do the digital cinema. If you don't, 2nd hand 35mm with LED optical sound plus a platter and filmgard would be an inexpensive start. Large screen video presentations can be made from cheap consumer grade video projectors. All while you wait for the price of Digital Cinema to get cheaper and the quality continues to improve. Running a single screen cinema is hardly a big money spinner. One of your options would be as a mulipurpose venue, mixing live performance, corperate and occasional film screenings, or another option is to convert your large cinema into several smaller ones. ie drop a wall infront of the balcony and now a cinema 2, additional projection room can be built downstairs ect. This is done mostly to be able to get a better deal with film companies "terms" Untill we know more about the buildings plans, Its hard to answer your question properly.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-30-2008 02:39 PM                        Cameron Film guard is a great way to keep prints new it doesn't help on badly damaged prints! On the other hand you have to get the owners of where you work to invest in the $500.00 or so cleaning unit and the $60.00 a platter mounting bracket. This is something I have been unable to achieve!  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 01-30-2008 04:03 PM                     Where did he say that it would help on badly damaged prints? He said it would help on "dirt and light bass scratching."  |  IP: Logged Roger Summars Film Handler Posts: 11 From: Buffalo, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 01-30-2008 04:14 PM                     Adam Holland We just got our theater re-opened after being closed for 15 years. The projector was still there, and worked. We replaced the lamphouse, put in a used platter system, and replaced the sound system. Total cost --- less than 20K. All the equipment was used. I too want to go digital, but the longer we wait, the cheaper it will be, and the better the equipment will be. Until then, I'm not unhappy with my Century Model C. I thought I read somewhere that there was a guy in Amarillo, Texas who was rebuilding old Century projectors. If anyone knows who that might be, I sure would like to make contact with him just in case we need parts or help. Roger  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-30-2008 04:29 PM                        quote: Roger Summars thought I read somewhere that there was a guy in Amarillo, Texas who was rebuilding old Century projectors. If anyone knows who that might be, I sure would like to make contact with him just in case we need parts or help. Don't know about Texas... but Louis from Hadden Theatre Supply in Louisville, KY has quite a rebuild shop for Centurys and Simplex's.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-30-2008 04:33 PM                        Yes, he did state that but my complaint way back when was badly scratched prints from other theaters. The statement was on what film-guard couldn't help with nothing more!  |  IP: Logged Adam Holland Film Handler Posts: 66 From: Oak Grove, LA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-30-2008 07:06 PM                     Roger, I wish we were in as good shape as you were when you began you project. However, what we inherited were two worn our Motiongraph 1950 model projectors and motiograph sound equipment that didn't work. However our ORCON II lamphouses did work until I sold the sound equipment to a guy and he cut the wrong wire when disconecting it. Bill from Tri-State in Memphis has put us a quote together and we are hoping to get about 15 to 30 grand from the state in grants to help us out. He has suggested going back with one simplex xl and a new sound system with a 15x26 retractable screen that will hang about half way back on the stage. We are hoping to close in May to do this restoration and open back up in August. Currently we are renting from Swank and showing movies on DVD with a power point projector on a 9x15 screen nailed against the back wall of the stage (Note Screen is a painters drop cloth)  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-30-2008 07:22 PM                        Adam, not to put a kink in your plan but May to August is your busiest time of the year. Weather it is first run or not those are the prime months!  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 01-31-2008 10:01 AM                     quote: Cameron Glendinning Filmgard will also fix your problems ie dirt and light bass scratching Well you can see that I have speakers on my mind! Base scratching sorry Ron, my comments were generaly aimed at Adams question, I find his current involvement in the restoration of an old single screen cinema facinating from afar. Your situation I do understand, I do not have a filmgard applicator in my projection room. One of my former employers did buy it when I suggested it though, and if you could have seen the before and after effect that filmguard had on a well worn 1960's print of "Thunderbirds are Go", you would probably sing its praises too. Now if you were to go to your boss and say, that for $700 you can upgrade the current gear, get the same on screen results that a $100 000 digital upgrade can achieve. Especially if you add, that then you can wait until the gear gets cheaper and of better quality! "Opening night quality every night" can be achieved other ways. It might be exactly what he wants to hear? Then again, what he probably wants to hear is that the digital gear is free.  |  IP: Logged Adam Holland Film Handler Posts: 66 From: Oak Grove, LA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-31-2008 04:37 PM                     Ron, Thanks for your concern, but that will be as soon as we will be able to get some capital out lay funds as the legislature doesn't begin meeting on fiscal matters until April. Even then it may be longer until we get our funds. Currently we are showing with the equipment I mentioned above just one weekend a month. We also have other programing such as gospel concerts, pagents, talent shows, etc that we rent the building out for $300 per month. We will be showing Amazing Grace Feb 15-17, if any of you showed this movie how did it do for you and what can I expect. We are mailing invitations to all the local preachers and asking them to mention it in thier bulletins and will be showing it to about 200 high school seniors durring the day on the 15 as it is can be considered a piece of English lit.  |  IP: Logged Roger Summars Film Handler Posts: 11 From: Buffalo, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 02-01-2008 11:06 AM                     Adam, Tri-State supplied the equipment for our rebuild, except for the DTS-6AD and speaker wire. They had some great used equipment at fair prices, and they sold us new amps for the sound system. You don't say how big your theater is.... we have a used 1000 watt lamphouse and power supply, but I'll bet you can get a good deal from Tri-state. Good Luck !!! Roger  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 02-01-2008 11:22 AM                        Cameron I used Film guard a great deal in the theater's I owned, when I owned them. I found it to protect the film and to be a valuable asset for the booth. I just can't make the owners I work for understand this is a wise way to spend money! It is but I can't make them understand it!  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 02-01-2008 11:42 AM                     I don't know of anyone in Amarillo who is rebuilding projector heads. Doesn't mean someone isn't, but I simply don't know of anyone who is. I don't think there is a tech who lives out there. R.W. "Pinky" Pinkston is still rebuilding Century and Simplex intermittents, but he lives closer to Dallas/Ft Worth...or he was as of 2 years ago when he did some work for Skeet Noret.  |  IP: Logged Roger Summars Film Handler Posts: 11 From: Buffalo, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 02-01-2008 01:59 PM                     there is a film cleaner on ebay.... item # 160204122405. Does anyone know if this will work with FilmGuard? I'm looking at the products tab on the web site, and that cleaner looks much different. thanks Roger  |  IP: Logged

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