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Author Topic: What can I expect from the Christie DLP projectors?
Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Steve Guttag
I'll be surprised if Dolby can shed enough $$$ from the CP650 by just omitting the film functions.
I think you'll find the new version of the 650 is a price wash. Omitting the A-Chain stuff is replaced by the AES input stuff and pricing is almost a wash there. I don't think you'll find Dolby building B Chains into servers... its just not the way most of the pros or broadcast folk work... seperates always.

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The problem is the board they would be loosing sells in the $3K range for a board that sells in the $1K range or about a potential 2K savings...now compare that to alternatives and the CP650 comes out pricey.

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Paul Van Dusen
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quote: Tristan Lane
Paul, More than likely you will have little to do with starting shows. The Scheduler will be used to automatically start digital shows, with you only changing programs on the Automation, or threading the occasional 35mm presentation. Cleaning will still need to be done from time to time to ensure proper operation, but your Booth duties will be limited from what you are used to.
Well, I just spent a week there while I was looking for somewhere to live. Wow. That's all I can really say. The makeup tables for the 35's don't work, the christie tech has no idea how to fix it. Hell, he didn't even know how a film was built up. They really need to train these guys in 35 if they're going to be servicing them. The projector in booth 1 doesn't work on any of the timer systems, booth for keeps blowing the driver in the center channel speaker, booth 3 won't open the douser or switch to 6 channel digital on it's own, the surrounds in booth 8 work roughly half the time (a problem that never happened until the digital was installed). The sad part about all of this, the tech either tries to claim it's not his job to work on the speakers, or he tells me to cycle the power on everything to fix the problems. After i've reset the projector and the doremi 4 times, a fifth time isn't going to fix it. Sorry for the rant, but i hate digital and that booth is completely stressing me out. I miss my old tech from Shaver Sound with a passion. [Frown]

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Richard Fowler
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Sad.....I have done several service calls, in 2007, for post digital installs; where outside of the digital projector and server, the "tech/installer" was seriously deficient.Simple things as ground loops, lack of ground, poor cabling, improper sound crossover points blowing up drivers, no experience in interfacing with existing equipment.....let alone a 35mm Fillum projector [Roll Eyes]

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Tristan Lane
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quote: Paul Van Dusen
Sorry for the rant, but i hate digital and that booth is completely stressing me out.
Don't blame digital, since it is not the reason this theater is in such poor shape. Can you imagine what the on-screen presentation looked like when they were running 35 exclusively?

Admittedly, There is a lack of 35mm service ability among many of the technicians from that organization. Many of the technicians come from an IT background an don't even know what an intermittent movement is.

Keep in mind: Your attention to details like the ones you listed in your previous post, and your desire to fix them will do nothing but improve the presentation at that theater. Do what you can to fix the issues there, take ownership, and you will feel much better about making a difference. If the center driver keeps blowing, offer to help fix it. If the MUT is broken, break open the manual and try to isolate the problem.

Should you prove your worth around there, and learn as much as you can about the digital system, your skills will be desirable among many service organizations and can move beyond.

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Scott Norwood
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Or you could just quit and go work at some place that cares. It sounds as if that venue will put on a crappy show regardless of the format in use.

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Paul Van Dusen
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quote: Scott Norwood
Or you could just quit and go work at some place that cares. It sounds as if that venue will put on a crappy show regardless of the format in use.
Actually, after the staffing changes I'm going to make, i should be able to crank up the presentation quality fairly well. I've been there a week and the assistant already quit after he'd been there for 11 years under lax management.

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Kyle Anderson
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As a fellow Carmike employee both blessed and cursed by Christie's techs - we were among the first Carmikes to install CP2k's, and their guinea pigs for a year or so - I wish to you the best of luck in shaping up your theatre. You're absolutely right about Christie as well - they contracted with Carmike to service systems they don't train their techs to handle - especially note the "call the tech department for a real specialist to walk you through the procedure" directive. /sigh

As it is, Christie techs ARE responsible for fixing everything relating to presentation with the exception of electrical and masking system/screen repairs (call people who actually know what they're doing for that). This includes everything about your 35mm systems - if the tech they send knows less about it than you do, call Christie NOC and ask for the supervisor, then complain. It works - I've done it, and guess what... the bullshit ended and our stuff got fixed! Christie has some serious employee training and retention problems (working people 70+ hrs a week salaried will do that), but they are contractually obligated to see to it that the work is done and will step up if you make yourself a squeaky wheel.

As far as Carmike goes, you didn't mention if you're a projection manager or a complex manager (though a 4-screen would imply you're a CM), but either way make sure to make your District Manager aware of these presentation issues - he/she has MUCH more ammunition to deal with the problems at the corporate level than you do- especially since much of the time the guys "upstairs" don't even know the problems exist without you telling them (if only Christie did... ha!). For example, we've had a few masking motor death issues that were ping-ponged with christie for about 3 months until our DM heard about it; they were fixed/replaced in 5 days.

As far as automation goes; my opinion is that you start every show yourself standing at the projector- roughly 5% of the time the bulb won't strike on the first two tries, and requires an operator to fix. Also, the next time a tech is in, get them to tell you the service password to the 4x4 projector consoles so you can do things like *turn on the screen saver*.

On the presentation side, once you get the technical issues straightened out (all of which should be blamed solely on the Christie installers - annoy the hell out of them until they fix it), the digitals deliver very, very, very consistent performance - they just require a lot more initial tweaking than 35mm does. Once this is done, you should find that you can spend more time worrying about clean bathrooms than whether the moneymakers are doing their job. [Smile]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Paul Van Dusen
Actually, after the staffing changes I'm going to make, i should be able to crank up the presentation quality fairly well. I've been there a week and the assistant already quit after he'd been there for 11 years under lax management.
Lax management literally ruins a location! This same thing happened at one of the Cineplex's that AMC took over not far from my home... just a short while after they took over all of a sudden the employees were expected to work and most of them quit! Micro management drives some people to leave... but it will literally filter out the daudlers! Personally I think that style of management is a good thing. The booth in that theater is now much cleaner as is the equipment... the projectionists have been through AMC's training school and the on screen presentations have gone up in quality considerably. The real workers have stayed and are actually working.

As for the Christie techs... Most of the good techs are either in buisness for themselves or working for a dealer making good $$. All Christie could attracct at the salary they were offering were IT guys already being overworked at a low salary. Christie has a long obligation ahead of them and they'd best not burn bridges by overworking the techs they do have at 70 plus hours a week or they will be facing even tougher times hiring competant people down the line.

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Paul Van Dusen
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I just hope that when the contractual obligation to the Christie Tech Service is up, companies like Shaver Sound are still around and willing to work with Carmike. I think in the two years i was at my four screen I was off screen maybe twice, and that was a power supply failure and Carmike wouldn't let us keep a backup. This 8-plex, i've been off screen twice in one week. I always knew my old tech was a god amongst men, but i think i may owe him yet another steak, because i had no idea how much he actually helped my presentation these past few years.

BTW, i'm the complex manager. I applied to Booth Manager at a local Consolidated so i wouldn't have to move, but they felt i was over qualified and wanted too much pay......bastards! Damn you Herman Stone! lol

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Carmike is into the Christie contract for I believe either 8 or 9 more years....

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Paul Van Dusen
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Paul,

Christie is actually a very good company to have behind yourself! Indeed you could be in alot worse position with a different US manufactuirer behind you for support. Just keep after them to get the stuff fixed... Now if you go through two or three different techs that still can't deal with your problems which are more than likely very simple then I think you can blame it on them... Don't expect every IT guy to know MUTS or AW-3s but there are undoubtdly a few that do!

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