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Topic: First movie beamed in by satillite!
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Dave Bird
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Perth, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 11-17-2000 07:53 PM
Tiny little mirrors moving at light speed, feature "films" stored in computer drives, bigger bulbs with shorter lives....what a nightmare, if you lose a show, no way anybody will know how to fix it. No chance of a spare projector.If you ever pick up any of the home theatre magazines, and particularly "Home Theatre", their stance is very clear. In one article discussing HOME theatre design, they begin by saying "Assuming you can't afford film projection equipment and the film prints to feed it". They then compare the options CRT, LCD, DLP. CRT- better picture, limited size, brightness and constant maintenance. LCD- brighter and bigger picture, but high "black levels" and noticable pixel structure. DLP- same as LCD, slightly less pixels, still high "black levels". They continually say that none will ever match "Mann's Chinese" and film. None on this forum like to think about poorly trained projectionists, but I think it's a bigger nightmare with digital. More expensive, less reliable (has to be, "talkie" film is perfected for 70 years), but you'll actually have to pay a very specialized computer technician to be at the theatre at all times (that is, if you care about your patrons). I still think DLP is for home use.
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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-19-2000 11:23 AM
We're all sort of ignoring two important problems here: first, you can't just go out and buy a DLP projector; the ones that are in use now, as I understand thing, are rented/on loan from TI. They aren't production units, nor are they intended to be. Second, you can't just call up a film booker and say "I just put in a DLP machine and fired my projectionist; don't send me any more 35mm film...I want my movies delivered by satellite from now on." Even if one _could_ go out and buy a DLP machine, there would be precious little material to show on it. Kind of like high-def TV, actually. (Which, BTW, is probably going to fail spectactularly in the marketplace.)
For the long-term future, I agree that the electronic projection _concept_ does make sense for smaller theatres that don't necessarily need top-notch picture quality since they aren't providing it now with 35mm and many of them aren't suffering too badly despite this. On the other hand, there are too many implementation issues (reliability, encryption, picture quality) that need to be worked out first and which, if done right, probably won't get worked out for several more years.
For the short-term and medium-term future, I would say "Bring back 70mm!!!" but no one would listen, so I won't.
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-19-2000 02:19 PM
I was just at a National Park here in Greensboro. They have a little 120 seat auditorium where they show a historical presentation several times a day. It's on 16 mm and they have a continuous loop system. The guy/girl just presses a button and it goes. After it's over it shuts off and it's ready for the next show.I was told by this guy that they are going to rip it out and put in a laser disk or something. Kinda makes me sad. What they have there is PERFECTLY functional. All they need is some Film-Guard and that picture would be almost PERFECT! Check out the park here: http://homepage.mac.com/randystankey/VtourGCNMP.html There are mostly puctures of the park and stuff but there's one shot of the auditorium.
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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-19-2000 03:53 PM
I couldn't get a shot of the booth to come out. There was glass in the way and it was dark. I tried...It's a little table top Elmo. It's been hooked to a remote control system. There's a cable hooled up to the lens somehow. I presume for remote focusing. The endless loop system didn't have any labels on it. It was a tower about 3 or 4 feet tall and about 2 feet square. There was a port in the top where the film fed out of and there was a take-up port at the bottom. It seemed to be powered by the projector drive. There were some pulleys at the top that seemed to be turned as the projector pulled the film out. I presume the film was taken up on an elevtor mechanism inside. The whole show was only about 20 minutes long, so I figure that much film could be taken up inside a box of this size. There was a Kodak Ektagraphic slide projector there too. There was a small counter that ran the width of the port, which was a full-wall size glass window. Couldn't really tell much about the sound system but, I assume it is just an all-in-one mono box somewhere under the counter. There were a couple of remote switches in the outer lobby. One for Start/Stop and the other for volume control. The folks there don't know much about the stuff, as you can imagine. I got as much information from them as I could, but what do you expect from Park Rangers? They've got other things to do. What surprises me about it is that I EXPECTED it to be a video projector. When I saw that it was an actual FILM, I expected it to be one of those rear-projection cartridge loading jobs. The place was really nice. A lot more than I expected. They want to put in a laser disk system because they say they want to put in more programs and what they have now isn't easily changeable. I guess it's okay for the purpose but I told the Ranger that they should keep what they've got. He agreed with me, saying, "At least I can FIX this if it breaks!" Maybe some other time I'll see if I can get them to let me in the booth. (It's Government property, so I'll probably not have much luck.) PS: Where do you think they could put the Kelmar Media cleaner so I could talk them into a little Film-Guard? 
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 11-20-2000 06:52 AM
Both film and digital imaging will be part of "The Future of Cinema". And so will Kodak: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/notes/march2000/ http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/story/indexMain.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/notes/june2000/mayson.shtml "Film Done Right" is hard to beat. A $1500 35mm release print only costs about $5 per showing. Digital Cinema will not be competitive until the image quality is better than film, and the costs come down dramatically. IMHO, it will happen, but not soon. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 11-20-2000 11:13 AM
Greg wrote: "Is this a joke that I didn't get?"Yes, it is... and I didn't explain it very well.... my fault... My impression was/is that the cost of e-projectors will be subsidsed by advertisers. (You are right; no owner is going to fork out $100,000.) So, now might be a good time for advertisers to go to broke theater owners and offer low terms to install e-projectors. Advertisers could say stuff like, "Even though you are taking a loan from us, don't worry, you will start seeing a return soon because you can fire all your operators.. the picture is as good, no maintaince, etc." Sorry about that!
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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 11-21-2000 05:52 AM
Mike Blakesley said: "Film companies don't care about picture quality."I disagree. Certainly film companies want their films to make money. They know that audiences won't continue to go to theatres if prints get dirty and damaged. And having to sort and replace damaged reels in sub-runs adds to the cost of distribution. The filmmakers themselves are very concerned about quality. When cinematographers visit Kodak, they always express concern about presentation quality in theatres --- especially having proper screen luminance (16 footlamberts), proper image size (no cropping, attention to framing) and clean, scratch-free prints. If a print arrives in bad condition, you are justified in blaming someone else, and demanding replacement reels. But if a print leaves your theatre in worse condition than when it arrived, look in a mirror to find the likely cause. It is your responsibility to "Do Film Right" to the best of your ability. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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