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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
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 - posted 03-10-2001 05:30 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark-

Your attempt to make me look like an ass with those questions won't work! They don't have anything to do with what we're talking about here! Anyway as I type this I can't even see the questions, and I'm not going to print them.

The answer to the Beta question is Sony, however. But that is trivial knowledge and not actually video knowledge. Trivia does not equal knowledge.

So I have a few for you.

1. What is the actual resolution of DV Video (not just digital video, but specifically the DV format)?

2. While on the subject of DV, what is the compression ratio?

3. What is the best way to remove flicker from video shot from film showing on a screen (moral obligations aside) using only standard video editing equipment? (I am not going to post the answer to this one, by the way).

4. (Non video related) How long does it take a single person to write a product review?

I don't actually expect answers here. Not because of lack of knowledge, but because this is just stupid. I honestly have no reason to feign superiority by testing others. Sorry if I'm overreacting. The end.


Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 03-10-2001 06:37 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At the MAX was ok as concert films go but that is just it...it is a concert film and should be judged that way.

The Song Remains the Same is fine in its own right but certainly not great though I love Led Zepplin.

Fleetwood Mac had a very good concert film for their TUSK album.

Paul McCarney had a good WINGS concert film in 1980 too

And of course in Rockumentary, THIS IS SPINAL TAP is supreme!

Steve

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 03-10-2001 06:48 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There ya go, Steve! I was waiting for someone to mention "Spinal Tap." The one concert film that DESERVES to be a blockbuster! (But it still wasn't!)


John Walsh
Film God

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 - posted 03-11-2001 12:46 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I thought the Rolling Stones "At the MAX" was pretty good. The ticket was $14, which I felt was justified for the image and sound. When I saw them live during the Steel Wheels tour at Shea (seats 55,000 people I think), I could hardly see them, they were so far away, and the sound was blaring. That ticket was $75. Of course, a live show is unique, and is cool in it's own right.

I felt each were different, but worth it. Nothing is going to match a live performance, but for the price, it was quite acceptable.

I did feel (and Gordon sort of confirmed it) that "At the MAX" was treated as a regular, "real" release by IMAX.

A slightly funny story; IMAX theaters are usually used to getting tourists, school groups, etc. so the ushers usually have a fairly easy time. When an IMAX theater near us got "At the MAX" they had to get used to unruly crowds, late-commers, people who want to go out, come back, people stoned, drunk, barfing in the aisles and bathrooms, mad rushs at the consession stand, and so on. We had to lend them a few seasoned ushers and candy people to actually help and train the IMAX staff to deal with it all.

Personally, I glad they filmed close-ups in an empty setting, because if a huge IMAX camera was in my way during a live show, I'd be pissed. I went to a Jerry Rafferty (sp?) concert with a friend which was filmed for use in "Eddie and the Crusiers." (I don't think they ever used the footage.) The film crew had them do the same damn song three times in a row until they could get a good take. I got a little pissed; I didn't pay for this. Even the pleasure of seeing several Panaflex's really up close didn't help.

Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

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From: Sacramento, CA, USA
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 - posted 03-11-2001 02:49 PM      Profile for Kevin Crawford   Email Kevin Crawford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Has anyone thought that the only theatres that might get this will be UA, Edwards, and possibly Regal if the buy out is approved. Do recall that Anshutz (spelling?) owns UA now, is buying Edwards and Regal. With well over 6,000 screens they could just convert some of those screens. Even if nobody else wanted to buy into this idea.

And I agree Spinal Tap is the best. After all its not like you can dust for prints on vomit.

Gordon McLeod
Film God

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 - posted 03-11-2001 03:41 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"With well over 6,000 screens they
could just convert some of those screens. Even if nobody else wanted to buy into this idea."
He will probably follow the old saying
Big money will do what Big money always does Whate ever it wants!

Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 03-12-2001 10:11 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe,
You have taken my post completely wrong, it was simply a tease. I doubt that many could answer the questions that I posted and the difficulty of the questions were simply meant to poke fun. Sorry you mis-took it, try to lighten up a bit. Others that sent me direct e-mail after they read the post saw the funny side of the questions! I agree that you are good with video....not argueing that point at all.
However it was actually Matshusita Electric Industrial Co. that invented The Beta format and discarded it in favor of developing the VHS format. This was happening back in the mid 70's when I worked for Panasonic in their factory service center near Chicago.
As to your questions I will answer that as far as resolution goes for the DV format it can exceed 500 lines which is a tad better than NTSC(never the same color!). As far as actual optical resolution, this is dependent on the number of pixels that reside in the CCD, and the quality of the optical system. Eliminating the flicker can be done in several ways. The best is to use a 5 to 1 pull down with a 5 blade shutter and a sync drive motor. I have built many of these for home movie transfer places. This can be done with almost any 8/16mm projector. The second way is to frame maatch, via computer, for density.
As far as the review goes, I basically work two jobs here at GTS. The reviews are about# 42 on my list of to do's. Family,friends, and buisness come first...in that order anything else comes later down the line. You could also write a review as well. You seem to have more spare time than I do.
Mark @ GTS

Jon Hudson
Film Handler

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 - posted 03-12-2001 07:11 PM      Profile for Jon Hudson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would just like to share something interesting. I was at that bar at The Paris, the one just before the casino, just after that presentation and I think that I was the only person that saw Dave Elliot go thru the motion of casting a fishing reel and then "reeling them in". I think he was maybe talking about catching "The Big One".
(exhibitors?)

Ky Boyd
Hey I'm #23

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From: Santa Rosa, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 03-13-2001 01:46 AM      Profile for Ky Boyd   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well I guess I'm late into the fray here but I thought I'd chime in on a couple of non-technical points anyway.

My favorite digital cinema myth is the one where the proponents of d-cinema talk about how exhibitors will be able to change their schedules at the drop of a hat to accomodate demand (or lack there of) for certain offerings. The problem here is that no one is considering that the earliest an exhibitor can change it's schedule is based on newspaper advertising deadlines. For instance if you open picture A and B on the same Friday and A is a huge dog and B is a huge hit, you can't just drop A or slash it's showtimes until Tuesday, at the earliest, provided that your newspaper can accept an ad for Tuesday on Monday. All you'll be able to do is what we do now, move the dog to the smallest room possible and move the hit to the biggest room possible. Nothing changes. The majority of the public still get their movie times from the newspaper.

My second favorite digital cinema myth is the ancilliary revenue d-cinema will bring in by being able to show concerts, sports and all kinds of other TV at your theatre. There are two problems here. One, who is going to pay $8.00 to see a concert when TV is flooded with concerts and music stuff. Heck, you can't even revive classic concert films right now because they are all on VH-1 all the time (except of course for the ubiquitous showings of Behind the Music, but that's another rant). Secondly, just because a theatre has digital cinema, Sony, Disney, Paramount, Fox and all the other distributors aren't suddenly going to roll over and say, "ok, my movie can share a screen with the non-movie product." Absolutely not - if you've ever read the exhibition license agreement or the letters the studios send everyone every 6 months, you know that an exhibitor can't split product on a screen without the permission of the distributor, according to the license agreement. The distributor is entitled to have their film be the exclusive presentation on that screen during all open hours. Yes, theatres do sometimes split product without permission and yes they sometimes get caught and taken off-service, but digital cinema isn't going to overturn that tenent of the business.

And, don't you think the tv networks, who pay hundreds of millions for the broadcast rights to sporting events are gonna put up a fight over Technicolor d-cinema and exhibitors showing the same events for a fee in theatres? I think they'll kick up a huge ruckus. Same story for plays, broadway shows, opera, etc. There are long established relationships that aren't going to go away just because movie theatres have digital projection capabilities.

Don't get me wrong, as a specialty exhibitor, there are lots of programs I can present on video and charge for and make money off of, but showing stuff that is already readily available on television isn't one of them.

That's just my non-technical two cents.


John Walsh
Film God

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 - posted 03-13-2001 09:49 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh, great. Sports events broadcast at theaters... Now you can have a bunch of guys leave pizza, soda and chips on all over the seats. Then, if the home team looses, they can also knife the seatsand pull the curtians on their way out.

What a business. Retirement just isn't comming fast enough...

Jerry Chase
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Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 03-13-2001 10:06 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ky, excellent reality check! Shoulda been handed out as a flyer at Showest along with one on the realities of internet ticketing!



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