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Author Topic: Show East Digital Presentation of Happy Feet very unsharp and out of focus Christopher Seo Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 530 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-30-2006 12:13 AM                     I have seen the Sony 4K demonstrated at 4K, side by side with a Christie 2K, and I do have to say I like the 4K. The comparison was not perfect; there were a couple issues matching the 4K and 2K images, namely a slight difference in tint, plus some minor but odd artifacts present in a 4K rendering of "Cars" but not present in the (native, I think) 2K version. Not only are the pixels smaller at 4K, but the SXRD pixels do not have the hard edge of DLP pixels (I think the pixels were described as having a "Gaussian" edge), which results in a much less grid-like appearance even right up at the screen. I have also personally had very pleasing results even running Blu-Ray at 1080i component into a Sony 4K. The material was the (soon-to-be-released, I think) colorized version of the 1935 movie "She", a Merian C. Cooper production originally supposed to be filmed in three-strip Technicolor but changed to B&W in the face of budget cuts.  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-20-2006 08:31 PM                     Link Reuters Summit-Regal says Sony's 4K projector not ready (For other news from the Reuters Media Summit, click on Long Link NEW YORK, Nov 29 (Reuters) - A super high-definition projector being aggressively marketed by Sony Corp. <6758.T> is not yet reliable enough to be installed in movie theaters, said the chief executive of the largest U.S. cinema chain on Wednesday. Regal Entertainment Group <RGC.N> Chief Executive Michael Campbell told the Reuters Media Summit in New York that he would not consider installing the Sony projector on his chain's 6,400 screens until it had been tested more thoroughly. Sony said last month that its 4K digital projection system was market ready after tests conducted by an entertainment advisory board, and the company was ready to cut deals to install the systems in theaters as part of an industry-wide transition to digital projection. The projector boasts 4,096 horizontal pixels, compared with 2,038 horizontal pixels for rival 2K projectors made by Barco Digital Cinema, Christie Digital Systems and others. "We've seen 4K in some lab conditions, it looks really good," Campbell said. "The problem is, at least currently, it's not reliable. It's being tested." Regal is a partner in National CineMedia, a joint venture with AMC Theatres and Cinemark that has been tasked with selecting digital technology for all three chains, which have a combined 14,000 screens. There are about 37,000 U.S. movie theater screens, according to the National Association of Theatre Owners. Campbell said other disincentives are that the Sony projector is more expensive than the better-tested 2K, and was being rolled out slower than manufacturers had indicated to theater owners. "I think the (digital projection) roll-out ... initially is going to be almost exclusively 2K, and as the roll-out progresses, as 4K technology becomes more tested, as the price of that technology inevitably comes down... you may see a lot of companies including Regal shift to some 4K units as part of that roll-out process," Campbell said. "I don't think it's ready today." Campbell said the chain wants to encourage Sony to continue testing and rolling out the technology "but at the end of the day it has to be an affordable technology." [ 12-21-2006, 03:02 AM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 12-21-2006 08:58 PM                     mmm not a mention of sonys expensive operational costs, bulb and lamp hours.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-22-2006 09:46 AM                       Or, Sony's propensity to get everyone on board with a certain piece of equipment... and then ABANDON them a few years later, when they decide they want you sign-up for their latest and greatest.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 12-22-2006 10:02 AM                        quote: Tim Reed Sony's propensity to get everyone on board with a certain piece of equipment... and then ABANDON them Well, yeah.... but that's nothing new. I had just about everything Apple had ever made, up to a couple of GS machines, when they dumped the whole line and decreed we should all run out and buy a Mac.  |  IP: Logged Mattias Ohlson Expert Film Handler Posts: 180 From: Falun, Sweden Registered: Mar 2003 posted 12-22-2006 10:17 AM                     One positive step with the 18k lumen 4k sxrd being readied is that it uses a single 4kW xenon lamp. It is quiet clear to me from the comments in the press release that the industry wants 4k and not hdtv(2k). I hope that the transition to wire grid polarizers will result in boosted performence for sxrd.  |  IP: Logged Marin Zorica Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 671 From: Biograd na Moru, Croatia Registered: May 2003 posted 12-22-2006 03:25 PM                     All post on DLP I saw here makes a question to me....Is DLP ready for BIG SCREEN?  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 12-22-2006 08:01 PM                     What is a "wire grid polarizer" and what might it do to help sxrd performance?  |  IP: Logged Mattias Ohlson Expert Film Handler Posts: 180 From: Falun, Sweden Registered: Mar 2003 posted 12-23-2006 04:04 AM                     JVC is using new d-ila panels and wire grid polarizers to go from 2500:1 to 15000:1 in contrast ratio. You can read about the role of wire grid polarizers at the end of this pdf-document. http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/press/2006/dla-hd1.pdf Wire grid polarizers could naturally be applied in a sxrd projector as well.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 12-23-2006 09:18 PM                     Is Sony planning to integrate wire grid polarizers into SXRD imaging devices or are you just speculating that performance could be improved IF they used the technology?  |  IP: Logged Mattias Ohlson Expert Film Handler Posts: 180 From: Falun, Sweden Registered: Mar 2003 posted 12-24-2006 01:46 AM                     It is pure speculation I am afraid but to me it would make sense to use this technology.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 12-24-2006 09:51 PM                        quote: Jack Ondracek Well, yeah.... but that's nothing new. I had just about everything Apple had ever made, up to a couple of GS machines, when they dumped the whole line and decreed we should all run out and buy a Mac. The Mac came out in January, 1984 and the last Apple II was not discontinued until November of '93, so it wasn't exactly a sudden discontinuation of the Apple II line. Did you want them to use 6502/65C816 processors and non-bitmapped screens forever? Besides, while technology does march on, there's a big difference between a $2000 computer and a $200,000 projector. IMHO, the digital projectors should only be made in a modular fashion, so that there's an upgrade path as the technology evolves (and it will). Even aside from resolution, there are going to be improvements in color depth, contrast ratios, speed, etc. The processors should be on removable circuit boards, the imagers should be interchangeable and they all should be capable of downloadable software updates. Failing that, any theatre owner, chain or independent, is nuts to do anything but lease the projectors, so they can be interchanged as the technology changes. Even then there would still be substantial upgrade/reinstallation costs. Having said that, I saw The Good Shepherd in digital the other night and it looked damned good, although without having a direct comparison to a 35mm print, hard to tell if it looked as good as film.  |  IP: Logged

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