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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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It might be interesting to check out what the guys at the AV Science forums are looking at when it comes to video cards in an HTPC application. Or for recommendations on progressive-scan stand-alone DVD players for those not going the HTPC route. Also, lots of projector recommendations and tweeks. The link:
http://www.avscience.com

Go to the forums and take a look at the FAQ under the HTPC thread which has "best of" component lists at three different levels of price/performance.

If I ever get back to work I'll be trying my hand at building an HTPC myself.

Paul

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Dave Bird
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I "roasted" a buddy of mine with some humourous home-video (VHS) at his wedding that I M.C.'d. I used something very similar to what Paul describes, a multi-media LCD projector that we borrowed from a community college. It was a very large room, probably 80x100, and
we ran on a standard pull-down projection screen about 24feet wide. At this width,pixelation was just beginning to show, but really not back behind the dance-floor where everyone was seated. You're right, sound is lousy, so we by-passed right from VCR to D.J.'s setup. It was slightly dim, but nobody had any problem at all, thought I was some kind of technical wizard. I would think that the pixels will be gone before they ever figure out how to achieve proper light levels.

As I understand, LCD is light PASSED THROUGH the liquid crystal. Why don't they engineer these panels to slide into your aperature plate slot to be run by the lamps and lenses you have?

Also, for any skiers or hosts of the yearly Warren Miller ski films, I see that they now have abandoned 50+ years of film and are presenting in something called "DVD Projection". Anyone see it? They still play some fairly large auditoriums, wonder how it looks?
If the evil digital does come to pass, wouldn't you rather "plug and play" with DVD discs rather than download, save, store etc, etc, etc.?

Barry, bring up your projector and I'll paint my barn white (it's about 50 feet wide) and we'll try 'er out!

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Barry Floyd
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""Barry, bring up your projector and I'll paint my barn white (it's about 50 feet wide) and we'll try 'er out!""

Dave, I doubt we could draw much of a crowd showing "Karaoke-style" Baptist hymnal lyrics and the pastor's power point slides of his sermon notes!!

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Barry Floyd
Floyd Entertainment Group
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Steve Guttag
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Depending on the quality of the lens, it could be much more than $1200.

We sell a real cool Sony video projector (VPL-PX31/ZM101). It is no bigger than a slide projector (and actually smaller than some), has 2800 lumins, takes virtually any video signal with multiple inputs and with the long throw zoom lens (the ZM101 part of the model) is projectable from the booth in many if not most theatres. The sucker is bright enough that most customers comment that they don't have to turn the lights off to see the image like with other video projectors.

That zoom lens is pricey though...close to $3000 as I recall Another nice feature of that projector for theatres is the ability to have the lens non-shifted. Most portable projectors have the lens permanently shifted to point up from a conference table (or down from a ceiling).

I agree with Scott though...when it comes to image quality, a good quality xenon slide projector will beat just about any video image from one of these portable projectors.

However, for theatre use, it make a whole lot more sense to use a DVD/video projector system in terms of control (each image will display exactly as long as it should), ease of use (no trays to update, just change the DVD on a regular basis when you change your "Movie Tunes"

DVD/Video also opens the door for moving ads instead of still slides.

Getting a good video projector also allows the theatre to have another source of income by renting out the space during non-operating hours for meetings and such...just make sure your projector can handle data from a computer. Power point presentations are quite popular.

Steve

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David Favel
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We sell a real cool Sony video projector (VPL-PX31/ZM101).

W had one like this recently for a stage show.
Threw a crappy VHS copy of Shawshank on & it looked O.K.
plugged in the Play station & had a blast.

Crash Bandicoot on a 40' screen rocks.

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Mark Lucas
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Onscreen advertising... Classy.


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Adam Fraser
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Maybe not the classiest thing in the world, but necessary for many theatres to keep their bottom line too far out of the red, its just the way it is right now. We are just developing our slide program on the Arion Show Wizard from www.arion-usa.com and it is great. Plays digital audio through a Compact Flash Card and you set up the slide cues through a computer program provided by Arion.

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Adam Fraser
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Mark Lucas
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Well, I guess it doesn't really matter. None of the theaters I go to have slides and I try to avoid theaters that do.

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Dave Bird
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No intent of flaming whatsoever, but Mark, please do check out Adam's theatre at www.pinestheatre.com . One of the more unique and undoubtedly classiest theatres in the world. It IS too bad such places are not rewarded by Hollywood with the type of business relationship that would make on-screen advertising unnecessary.

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Mark Lucas
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Looks interesting. Like something Disney would build. Not sure how it would sound with all those beams and other things though.

Onscreen advertising really is evil though. What's the point of having curtains if they're always open? It's half a notch below those dreadful television commercials most theaters force upon their customers.


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Adam Fraser
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Never have had a complaint about the sound that I can remember and to me it sounds great. The only thing I can think of was people who didn't know what surrounds did asking "why is sound not coming out of the side speakers all the time?" but I guess that quote is for the customer quotes section
BTW Thanks Dave for the compliment, people saying things like that is what keeps me loving this business.
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Gordon McLeod
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Well Mr Lucas you finalay sank below the low
As much as I personally hate any screen adverts they are an economic reality (like DLP)
In many areas the main tabs close at the end of the slides and reopen on the film where the facilities permit
As for accoustics I doubt that is a problem check out the pictures of the chatauqua institution theatre one of the best soundiing rooms I have been in
With the big JBL biradial horns. The owner Paul Schmit maintains one of the classiest presentations around


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Josh Jones
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Adam, very cool theater

JJ

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Adam Wilbert
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The "little black box" that Paul was talking about way-back-when is used to put the digital projector into standby mode when the film projector is started. It is supposed to save the digital lamp because the cooling fans remain on during the show. It has failed several times though (which requires unplugging the darn thing to reset it), and in one of our three auditoriums, doesn't work at all. This has caused images of Britney Spears to be superimposed on top of the green-band on a couple of instances. (actually an improvement to the traditional green band, I thought!)

-Adam

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Jan Hackett
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My excutive director wants me to purchase a digital projector to do away with slides and use powerpoint. The cost we were quoted was 25000$. What are the uses for a digital projection vs regular video projection? Is it worth the cost?

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Jan Hackett
Theater Operations Manager
Extreme Screen Dynatheater
NM Museum of Natural History Foundation

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