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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 08-16-2008 11:03 AM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What projector settings do you have to adjust in real-time? Are these settings like zoom and lens shift when switching between aspect ratios? Or something else? Does your projector not have an RS232 control that lets you automate this?

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Frank Angel
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When you are doing a film/video festival, you have to adjust for all of the parameters you just mentioned AND more than once, I was wishing I could tweak color temp, gamma, etc. for a particular title while the show was running. Automating thru RS232 -- if a projector even allowed that, it would not be practical in these situations where content is throw at you literally minutes before a show. It's not the way it should be, and I tell the organizers there has to be published criteria that entries have to meet, and there are, but nevertheless, the producers rarely let you decide to cancel a title because it's authored incorrectly or not to your spec. They expect you to "make it work." And you do, or at least you try. It's just the reality of the beast. So a projector that works with you rather than against you is what you look for.

The Barcos that I was using for the Chaplin/Carl Davis show have actual mechanical dowsers which when you pushed the button on the remote, slammed shut with an audible noise -- just like the zipper shutter on a 35mm projector. Sweet. And very familiar and comforting, I must say. Only I would really like to convert those hand-held remotes with their gawdawful tinny-winny little buttons made for infant size fingers, to a hardwired control panel with more appropriate buttons with tatile feel and made for actual grownup hands. The feedback/status LCD panel that is on the back of the projector would be nice to be duplicated on the customized control panel as well. You push a button, the LCD panel says PAUSE, you hear the dowser, all is right with the world.

BTW, the stacked Barco R6+ each have a remote so in order to close the mechanical dowsers both at the same time, you have to aim two remotes at the projectors and press the "pause" button (that's what they call the mechanical dowser). It's pretty awarkward. I think you can set the addresses of one of the remote to talk to both projectors, but we didn't get that far in the learning curve to figure out all the niceities. It was a long road just to figure out all the convergence stuff to get a good sharp picture on the screen. In time.

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John Hawkinson
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It sounds like you just haven't done your setup homework. Most projectors with RS232 let you do anything you can do with the remote. Obviously you can't be sitting there leafing through the manual, but with a little advance planning, you should be able to meet your needs.

Extron and Crestron and Tr2n will be happy to sell you nice remotes with big buttons and feedback that talk RS232 to the projector and other devices.

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Frank Angel
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You're right. We got to play with those projectors literally 2 days before the Chaplin event. And that was the last show of the season so now they are locked away. Next summer I'll have more time see what they can do. I've got a year to peruse the manual. It would be even better if I had the projector to investigate cause and effect.

BTW, does BluRay have anamophic versions with which you can use one of those Schneider 10 million dollar 1.5x anamorphic adaptors on the projector to avoid letterboxing blow-ups? Does BluRay, in fact, do letterboxing at all on the discs or does it always assume a 16:9 display? My understanding is the Barco 9+ is using 1.37 native chips, not 16:9. I really don't want to have to be using only part of the DMD and then have to blow-up up the image to fill the screen when dealing with scope material, should we ever wind up having to do scope from a DVD.

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Demetris Thoupis
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Both BluRay and standard DVD have the 16:9 format (cinemascope equivalent). When using a decent projector like a Barco, you can install an extra lens in front of it which will expand the 16:9 image to full cinemascope experience (note that if you have any subtitles enabled will be chopped). As far as I am concerned, what we did in a theater here which had an issue like yours, we took a JVC dvd and hooked the component output to the video projector and the composite to a local monitor. The projector of course has video blank mode and the projectionist enables it until the feature starts. As far as sound is concerned, this JVC has full 5.1 coaxial analog outputs. We hooked it up to a CP500 processor and we have full digital sound from the dvd in the theater! No buzzing or anything.
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Bruce Hansen
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Note: some DVD players will not output composit when the unit is set to progressive mode.

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Scott Norwood
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So I got one of the Denon players that Steve likes and can confirm that it is an excellent unit. The region-free mod works fine, too.

Does anyone know if there is an SDI mod for this unit? It uses the Zoran ZR36888HLCG chipset. I have yet to find an SDI mod kit online that mentions this chipset in the documentation. Any ideas?

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Steve Guttag
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Hmmmm....don't recall that sale [Wink]

There are numerous ways to get to SDI or HDSDI...Gefen and AJA are the popular boxes that will get you there digitally.

Gefen DVI to HD/SDI

AJA HDMI to HD/SDI

Steve

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Brian Dooda
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Hi Steve,
You mentioned being able to make the Denon DN-V210 all-region. Is it a simple sequence of buttons to push on the remote or more complicated circuitry switching. If it is just a code, I would love to know how to do it. I can't find any web sites describing how to hack these. I've been using these decks for a while and their biggest drawback for me is they are not all-region out of the box. Otherwise they've been great.
Thanks,
Brian

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Scott Norwood
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The Denon region-free hack is trivial. On the remote, do the following:

OPEN/CLOSE
1
4
7
0
0

The last "0" is actually the region code; you can set it to a specific region or "0" for all regions.

In the player menu, you can also set the TV type to NTSC, PAL, or multi. If set to NTSC or PAL, the player will convert all disks to that standard; if set to multi, it will output in the original format of the disk (i.e. PAL disks will play in PAL, which won't work if you have an NTSC-only monitor).

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Alan Gouger
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Here is a company that sells HD SDI mod kits or you can purchase the player with the mod all ready in place. Not cheap but they work great, Ive used a few from this company. Make sure you chose or work with the rt player as some will only output 1080i via HD SDi while others will output native 1080P 24 rt off the disc.

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