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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Yea, the Technics stuff was built really well. I recently sold my RS-1500 Real to Reel deck and got more for it used than I paid for it new!

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Monte L Fullmer
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..and those things weren't cheap either when they came out new - about the same for a good Tascam deck.

You definitely came out winning on that note for I remember your RS-1500 .. definitely a good machine for serious audiophiles.

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Louis Bornwasser
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I made a lot of money repairing 1/2 inch open reel video in 1970! Louis

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Clint Koch
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back on topic...

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/extURLs.aspx?id=330

Regal CEO says digital upgrade may be delayed.

Calling it one of the worst credit markets he has seen in years, Regal Entertainment Group CEO Mike Campbell said Thursday a $1 billion industry digital upgrade could be delayed.

"We believe, and JP Morgan believes, that it will get financed once the market returns to something that is reasonably normal," Campbell said. "We're going to continue to put together the pieces behind the scenes to be in a position to react."

The news, which sent shares of the company down nearly 19 percent, came as the Knoxville-based company, which is the nation's largest movie theater operator, reported that profits declined 46 percent in the third quarter.

Net income totaled $31.6 million, or 21 cents per share, compared to last year's third-quarter profit of $58 million, or 36 cents per share. Diluted earnings per share were 21 cents for the third quarter of 2008, compared to 36 cents for third-quarter 2007.

Third-quarter 2008 revenues were up 1 percent to $757.6 million compared to last year.

Digital Cinema Implementation Partners, a joint venture of Regal, Cinemark and AMC Entertainment, was formed to roll out cinema digital technology to theaters nationwide.

On Oct. 1, DCIP announced it had signed long-term digital deployment agreements for digital cinema upgrade with 20th Century Fox, Walt Disney Motion Pictures, Paramount Pictures, Universal Studios and Lions Gate Films. DCIP is currently in discussion with the last two major studios, Sony and Warner Brothers.

"We are excited about the conversion to digital projection because of the incremental margin opportunities provided by 3-D and alternative content," Campbell told analysts in an earnings call.

A key element to Regal's strategy in the next several years, he said, will be "to provide enhanced theatergoing experiences."

That includes 3-D, an expanded base of IMAX theaters and the potential for special events like the Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus concert film last year. A similar concert film featuring the pop singing group Jonas Brothers will debut in early 2009.

Campbell said there are a total of 40 3-D films announced for release over the next several years, and Regal is installing its first digital IMAX system this month.

"We are pleased with the studios' commitment to this premium content, which also allows us to price at a premium compared to our existing 2-D ticket prices," he said.

Regal also benefited from recently acquired Consolidated Theaters, which generated cash flows that were slightly ahead of company expectations.

"We're not recession-proof, but history shows we're as recession-resistant as any business out there," Campbell said. "This is a very difficult market for everybody. At Regal, it's business as usual. We've had a good year as an industry."

Campbell pointed to last year's record third quarter resulting from a string of blockbusters. This quarter, he said, was relatively flat, and up 13 percent to 15 percent as an industry.

Regal also will benefit this year from a 53rd accounting week, which contributed an additional 10.2 million attendees and approximately $40 million of adjusted EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) the last time it occurred, in 2003.

Campbell said he was encouraged by a strong start to the fourth-quarter box office and is optimistic about the upcoming film slate, which includes Disney's "High School Musical 3," "Saw V," "Quantum of Solace" and the next 3-D animated film from Disney, called "Bolt," featuring the voices of John Travolta and Miley Cyrus.

The company also declared a cash dividend of 30 cents.

Regal Entertainment Group operates 6,782 screens in 551 locations in 39 states and the District of Columbia.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Bruce Hansen
I think that one of the main reasons, is that most 3D movies are made just to show off 3D effects, and the movie itself sucks. At first people will go to see this, because it's new and different; but will stop going when the 3D new-ness has worn off, and they figure out that there is nothing to the movies themselves. It sounds like to studios are betting a lot on something that is not going to last.
True - going back to the old two machine interlock when running 3D back in the 1950's? How long did that last even though the mechanical setup in tying the two machines together with either an actual drive shaft or toothed belt syncing the two projectors together was a chore in itself....You still had to wear glasses (anaglyph).

Then, we go into the early 70's and a touch in the early 80's with the return of 3D - only this time getting away from the two machine interlock and having the images doubled in one frame using special lenses, mirrors and the silver screen.....You still had to wear glasses (this time either anaglyph or polarized...)

..and most of these films that were done in 3D were pretty bad - only a small handful managed to be remembered as classics.

Now, we're into the digital age. This time, of the Digital 3D releases, even though with CGI technology,they can still be forgotten.

Once again, IMO is that why Hollyrock is heading towards the digital 3D fad once again is that this time, as did back in the early 50's when TV came out, is to get the people out to the movies-to witness the magic of it all.

Plus, instead of fighting the home medium as the studios did in the past, but this time, the studios are "playing ball" in seeing it as a huge alternatve form of revenue with DVD and BR releases of the same film that can be presented in 3D for home viewing on people's huge 1080i,96sq.in. plasma or LCD monitors, only being reduced to the cheaper anaglyph format for home viewing.

It might be a fad, but it's a fad that must be needed for survival now in this digital age.

As for what Louis mentions on "without glasses" -- about the only way that 3D could work without glasses it to make it rear projection with sections of light shining though layered LCD panels (like lindicular imagery) and each panel having its separate picture information and a form of "icing on top of the cake" on the front of this screen to blend the layers into one image.

For front projection on a flat screen is the weak spot in this 3D world since there is no depth where the sections of light can fall upon where we have to depend on glasses to 'trick' us into seeing depth.

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Julio Roberto
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Just your usual couple of quick corrections.

Most of the movies shown in the fifties in 3D were shown with polarized dual projection setups. Thus, polarized glasses (transparent grey), not anaglyph (red/blue-or-green).

And although indeed the primary way of home video 3D delivery has been anaglyphic, many movies have been released on DVD on other systems (i.e. field-sequential, to be watched with electronic glasses).

And there is no need to make LCD (or even plasma) TV's to deliver 3D in anaglyphic form only. There are plenty of LCD monitors in the market that are capable of showing 3D in suitable polarized form, thereby needing polarized glasses, (like the Zalman ZM-M220W, i.e.) or field-sequential (mostly DLP retro projection based or high refresh plasma/LCDs) or even autostereoscopically (no need for glasses, like the Philips 42" 3D6C01).

Many 3D home solutions are not developed into fully home-tv friendly products only because there is little/no demand for them until much more 3D media is available and a suitable 3D standard for home content delivery is agreed upon. But Sharp, JVC and many others have shown prototypes for years proving that they are more than ready to hit the market with convenient and effective home 3D solutions.

There is no doubt that the second the 3D content is there and the demand arises, the manufacturers will be ready with large, nice, high resolution 3D flat panel displays that will only need simple, good looking and well designed polarized glasses or, perhaps, even no glasses at all (although no-glasses solutions are not practical for current stereo movie content, really).

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Monte L Fullmer
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(Thx for the small corrections....)

Thus, this 3D fad is gonna stay with us for quite the time then - prob why Hollyrock is gonna get the most out of it.

If a device was to be made so we didn't have to use glasses (to get everything in the complete 3D spectrum-we see with two eyes and the projected image used a device that gets away from the flat, 2D screen), even such, it'd be as if looking out a large pane window in a 3rd person concept - not the "knife/sword/fist" image coming out of the screen that 3D was originally designed as.

-Monte

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Steve Guttag
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3D without the glasses? It was called ShowScan...70mm at 60fps...pretty darn impressive and no headaches.

Anyone that doen't think 3D is a fad, again, refuses to look at history and is thus doomed to repeat it. There is nothing wrong in collecting as much money that 3D has to offer this time around but to think it will become mainstream in anything resembling its present form is to ignore history.

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Mike Blakesley
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The biggest thing 3D has going for it this time is that every high-profile animated film in the next few years, along with many other youth-skewing blockbusterish films (Harry Potter and the like), are all going to feature it. Those films will do great business, and the studios will assume the people came out because of the 3D when they would have attended the movies anyway just because of the marquee value.

Therefore we're doomed to be stuck with this 3D nonsense until there are a few 3D flops. Meanwhile, we'll be driving away customers who don't like or don't want 3D.

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Mike Blakesley
The biggest thing 3D has going for it this time is that every high-profile animated film in the next few years, along with many other youth-skewing blockbusterish films (Harry Potter and the like), are all going to feature it. Those films will do great business, and the studios will assume the people came out because of the 3D when they would have attended the movies anyway just because of the marquee value.
DING DING DING DING We have a winner. Mike just hit the nail on the head. If you take the 3D away, those movies would do just as well. Real-D and the studios like to put out press releases about how 3D theaters grossed twice as much or whatever the stat of the day is. Of course, most people will see the 3D version if they have the choice. What they are missing though is that the movies would have done just about the same total gross without 3D.

The only way 3D will really help is if the studios announced that 3D would be a movie theater exclusive and only 2D would be available at home. This might get more people to see movies in theaters but obviously this is highly unlikely to happen.

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Steve Guttag
3D without the glasses? It was called ShowScan...70mm at 60fps...pretty darn impressive and no headaches.
But their pizza sucked [evil]

This lede from Variety about the indies I believe will one day apply to 3D
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It's impossible to look at the box office numbers without concluding the following: The worst thing that ever happened to indie film was that the studios thought it would be good business."

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Lyle Romer
If you take the 3D away, those movies would do just as well. Real-D and the studios like to put out press releases about how 3D theaters grossed twice as much or whatever...
..kinda reminds me back in the vinyl days when stereo LP's came out in 1958..Record companies really pushed this new fad called "stereophonic sound"...it took a while to grab on, then it slowly caught up to the repsective mono releases until 10 yrs later, it was the norm for vinyl releases and mono was gone.

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Scott Norwood
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Does the Regal delay affect any of the other DCIP member companies? One would expect that it does, given that the financing is being done through DCIP, but then it begs the question of why DCIP put out a press release that essentially said that the deal was done when, in fact, it was not.

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Actually I attended the very first VHS "Repair Seminar" at Panasonic's Secaucus Headquarters way back in the mid 70's! At that seminar we were told that Sony actually developed the azimuth helical scannig system (VHS) but then abandoned it as to low of quality. MAtsushita who was a giant compared to Sony then(and still is) picked it up and perfected it and marketed it as VHS.

I don't know who actually invented it, but the first format I saw which used it was the Philips 1700 which was similar to the older 1500 format with the tape running slower. The older tapes could be used in the new machines, a VC-60 tape would give a 130 minute recording time in a 1700, but they couldn't play recordings in the older format. There were even instructions in one of the magazines at the time for converting your 1502 (the last model in the 1500 series) into a 1700 format machine. It wasn't a simple vonversion. A 1700 was the first video recorder I owned, in the '70s. It was replaced by a Panasonic VHS machine in 1991 which I still have and still use from time to time.

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Julio Roberto
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I believe this or a similar one was the first VCR I owned back in prehistoric times:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/SVR_video_recorder.jpg

then I got some video 2000 model, similar to this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Vr2020.jpg

It was cool how you could flip the tape over, like an audio cassette, and record another tons of hours on the other side (I think some tapes did 8 hours recording total, didn't they?)

Then the VHS vs Beta war passed by and we all had to move on to the winner.

I also believe that the 3D thing, in its current form, will also be somewhat of a fad. It won't be mainstream for a long time, probably. As many here have said before, until all TV's are 3D glasses-free and almost all cameras are 3D no-questions-asked (RED company has some nice stuff), it probably won't really happen for a while.

This time around may be a longer lasting fad as 3D is (or could be) a cheap add-on to just about any digital device, so sure enough some smart pants in hollywood is going to want to make some bucks with SAW 3D, or Journey to the center of your eye II, or re-release a converted Star Wars trilogy, etc.

Anybody remembers IMAX 3D anymore? Great quality, integrated 3D cameras, so-so 3D (a lot of ghosting) and little commercial appeal. The fad lasted long, but it finally perished once more. Main reason? Expensive as hell exhibition costs. We won't talk about production.

There is some bussines to be done, but a lot of it depends on the quick adoption of quality digital 3D by the theaters. At the rate it is happening, and for good reasons, a lot of 3D is going to be cancelled.

At current prices and quality (darkish image, ghosting, color redention, 2k, etc) it likely won't happen and we'll probably be talking only of somewhat limited releases of a handful of titles that would bring EXTRA revenue (i.e. a movie that, w/o 3D, wouldn't really do nearly as much bussiness, like a re-release Star Wars or a Journey to the Center 2, or a SAW 2D part XXI).

Cameron's Avatar will probably be big with or without the 3D. As would most animated releases.

But there is a 3D incentive in "Hooter's Sorority Girls vs the Zombies". Nobody will go to that in 2D, but turn it into "Hooter's Sorority Girls vs the Zombies 3D" with lots of stuff thrown out of the screen and hmmmm .... what fun!

It's clear what this market needs. A round of 4K, great quality, $30k, no-compromise and no-royalties 3D ready projectors NOW. Then Hollywood and exhibitors can make some extra bucks off the stuff. And who knows, maybe it will stick and will initiate a wider transition into 3D.

But only the few and unwise (or forced) will go for a 2K, darkish, royalties crippled, expensive digital 3D only to be superseeded by a $2000 3D tv next year (Hyundai already retails a 46" one in Japan as a TV channel, for the nth time since the 80's, is trying to make a living out of 3D content material).

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