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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Yes, Just as I predicted in my post above! More DCI bull crap. Just have 2.0 installed on your BARCO when your tech takes the T.I to 13.02... which probably won't be in the next two weeks! Some have told me that they've been charged for new BARCO software... Just part of owning a B ARCo I guess... [Confused] .

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Chase Taylor
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You don't get charged for software updates. Mark I'm sure you have a partner zone registration, you just download it from there. That’s just a tech charging for something that they can access for free.

I'm a Barco certified Tech and I will install it next time I have a chance, I will let everyone know if there is any problem.

On another note the Barco 2.0 software will include CLO setting for Flat and Scope 2D and Flat and Scope 3D this something that I have been waiting for, and it will also include automatic lamp XYZ alignment if you have that option installed. Something I think should have been available a long time ago.

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quote: Chase Taylor
On another note the Barco 2.0 software will include CLO setting for Flat and Scope 2D and Flat and Scope 3D this something that I have been waiting for, and it will also include automatic lamp XYZ alignment if you have that option installed. Something I think should have been available a long time ago.

I believe you jogged my mind on that... It was the CLO software that was an option they always charged the customer for to the tune of about 2K USD. I guess they now have to include it because Christie does and has from day one. I believe that CLO is also written into DCI Specs.

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quote: Chase Taylor
According to Barco this is just more DCI security stuff, and there will not be a fee from TI.

Since I never deemed BARCO to be a reliable source of anything I did some snooping around today regarding this and got it from a very reliable source that T.I. WILL VERY DEFINATELY BE CHARGING for the 3-D KDM's. And a price had not been decided upon as of yet.

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Brian Guckian
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It may make sense from their point of view in terms of revenue generation, BUT...it may only serve to stymie take-up of 3-D product.

Key filmmakers and studios currently promoting the format are hardly going to go along with it. Any fee TI charge would have to be realistic, along with the "agreed period of time" the key would remain active.

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Why is everybody putting their hands out for stream revenue money from 3-D?

Dolby: did nothing but market an already existing for many years Infitec 3D solution. Barco had infitec fitted 3D digital projectors for YEARS before Dolby decided to cash-in.

RealD: did nothing but market an already existing for many years solution by Colorlink and previously even marketed and developed by Stereographics (which, like Colorlink, RealD also bought). So we have someone buying someone profiting from someone's product. A few too many intermediaries, if you ask me.

TI: did nothing but put a software lock to a solution developed by .... them. Triple flash DLP projection has been available nearly since its birth.

Soon we'll see Barco/Christie/Nec wanting us to hand over some regular cash for 3D too. Oh, wait, they already do from spare parts and added costs of dual projection or high-wattage lamps sales. At least, their products do get "worn" by using 3D. The others are either intellectual properties hand-me-over-cash (COST of infitec projection filters and RealD zcreens is a couple hundred at most) or not even that (TI's triple flash is but a natural form of their process development).

Makes me homesick of the days when a distributor would release an over/under 3D print and all you had to do was buy or rent an inexpensive 3D adaptor for your 35mm projector and maintain a silver screen. Then you bought the cheapest glasses you could find (or let the distributor pay for them) and re-sell them at a profit. Good old american way. If Hollywood is serious about 3D movies, it's gonna have to start striking over/under prints too, as digital adoption in the US may be going alright lately but in Europe it's a total stand still.

Cinedigm is another one of those intermediaries that expects to profit from "doing nothing" (basically).

Now, all these intermediaries want a couple of cents of each person watching a 3D movie. I guess they figure if 50m people watch Cameron's Avatar 3D and they can make 10 cents out of each one, they'll be happy. Multiply that for a couple of 3D movies a month Hollywood was planning on pushing out ... and there you have it. Easy, constant revenue stream. At almost 0 cost to them.

Sony's solution is starting to sound better and better each time. Hopefully they'll remain in the business of SELLING hardware and keep their hands out of the pocket of whatever profit their hardware may or may not produce (other than the spare parts and upgrades). I'm not taking Columbia in account here [Wink]

As somebody said here, it's like if Boeing started charging Fedex for each package transported using their airplanes. Absurd. Fedex already bought the aircrafts and can use them for whatever they want. Boeing already gets a good on-going profit from selling the machine and the spare parts+repairs.

I think this market needs a new set of small players willing to shake it up. Let's see if the guys at red.com become interested in the exhibition side of hardware sales and produce something reasonable that theaters can actually buy to convert to digital and expect to see a profit from it before filing for chapter 11. 3D included.

Hopefully before 4K (or higher) becomes common in the household and average Joe can get a 4K 3D 70" flat TV for $3k at Sears (couple of years?)

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-40883-97.html

DISCLAIMER: I don't think that 4K home viewing is going to become mainstream in a couple of years ... I'm just saying that the technology to do it and some products capable of doing it are going to be available (many already are) and if there was a market demand for such a thing (i.e. a 4K 70" 3D TV) it could be in the stores before you can say my-christie-2k-lease-is-over. I guess what I try to say is that far-better-than-cinema-digital-quality solutions are not in homes not because they are expensive or non-existant, but because there is no demand for it. Heck, people ain't even buying 5 years old blu-ray technology and are happy with DVDs and HDTV (cable/satellite/internet) quality. And 2K projection for huge 15m screens in cinemas! And at 3.5fl reduced resolution for 3D!!!!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Julio Roberto
Hopefully before 4K (or higher) becomes common in the household and average Joe can get a 4K 3D 70" flat TV for $3k at Sears (couple of years?)

Hopefully in a couple of years Sears will be extinct! I think you'll find it's the last place most folks go to shop. Sears used to be good up into the 60's after which they became more like a K-Mart operation.

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Chase Taylor
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Now I'm hearing the 3D manufacturers will be paying this fee. Mark have you heard the same?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Yes! In fact the Christie Tech stopped by the shop today to instruct me on installing the new "M" integrator and he said it's mainly intended for leased systems like Real-D... not necessarily for "owned" systems like Dolby or Master Image that are bought outright. He said those that have owned systems will more than likely be granted a KDM that will allow 3-D operation indefinately although a KDM will still be needed. I am seeing this as a way that if you don't pay your yearly Real-D contract then you don't get a new KDM... a way for Real-D via T.I. to shut your 3-D system down until you pay up.

All in all it's another very good reason to own your 3-D system!

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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
not necessarily for "owned" systems like Dolby or Master Image that are bought outright.
I just heard that TIs intent is to license this to any "add-on" 3D system - which includes Dolby, MasterImage and XPanD as well as RealD.

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According to the techs at Christie it is meant only to reinforce the "pay your lease" for those that have leased systems. I was told that those that own their systems will be granted a KDM that does not expire. Also, that there will be no charge for the KDM's.

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The explanation to me was the license fee was for "add-on technology providors" and no mention of leased vs owned exemptions - all single projector 3D falls under "add-on".

I'm curious to see how this will affect 3D equipmnet pricing and exhibitor's "willingness" to have another hand in their bank accounts.

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Dave,

Someone gave you the wrong info. I'll send you a PM with the guy you need to talk to at Christie.

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Latest news is that T.I. has put this on the back burner for at least a year. They got alot of shit from alot of the right people over it.

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So what happens 7 months from now when people that upgraded need a new license?

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