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Author Topic: REAL D DOLBY 3D Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 01-05-2010 05:50 PM                     I have seen Avatar in both Dolby 3D & RealD now. Can honestly say that RealD really lacked in punch and brightness in this venue. I think the brightness on the RealD would have been lucky to get to 1 fl. Things like dust particles from explosions had no 3D effect on the RealD system and was completely lost. Color was amazing in Dolby 3D. Looked monotone on RealD. Dolby is clearly the better system for 3D but...cinemas being cinemas, quality is a minor point, right?? God forbid if we had to put in some effort and re-use glasses. Let's just produce more plastic to put in the landfills because we don't want to pay some kid $11 an hour to collect some glasses. Why is it that cinema management always cut back staff as a way to improve the balance sheet but when it comes to paying RealD a license fee for well..., nothing, they have an open cheque book?? Very odd. Oh yeah get this. Purchased my 4 tickets online via the cinemas website. Get to the cinema and the kid at the podium tells us that we have to go back downstairs and purchase Real D glasses for $1 each!!!! So let me get this straight. They will sell me tickets to a 3D film without glasses! I said to the kid, what if I don't have $4?? He said, "you can still watch it but it may be a bit blurry. We do cinema checks without glasses all the time". Just to cap off my Real D experience. Before the credits said "written and directed by James Cameron" some little snotty nosed usher thought he would turn on the cleaners lights in the auditorium and yell out that we had to leave via the front exit only.  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 01-05-2010 06:15 PM                     David. It's a minefield out there with the potential to lose BIG $$$. Can you wait until the Tech 3D system is rolled?  |  IP: Logged Tom Bert Expert Film Handler Posts: 134 From: Belgium Registered: Apr 2010 posted 07-26-2010 10:37 AM                     Could someone elaborate on the RealD licensing model? Is it per screen, per screening, per ticket sold, ...?  |  IP: Logged Frederick Lanoy Film Handler Posts: 88 From: North of France Registered: Aug 2009 posted 07-26-2010 12:28 PM                     I think (but if someone could confirm) that the licensing model of Real D is based on every ticket sold : 0,90 cent for licensing and 0,90 cent for each glasses. My two cents : if you have a lot of customers, MasterImage is a good alternativ solution to Real D.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-26-2010 01:31 PM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen Well, series 1 won't do full frame triple flash which is a very important thing for 3-D. All of the Christie SB and ZX machines I installed over the last couple of years were full frame triple flash. Mark is thinking about the earlier units and should have said "not all series 1 will do..." Dolby is still the way to go guys. It is the cheapest and the best quality, unless you were a failure at math in school and can't see past today's check that is.  |  IP: Logged Mike Frese Master Film Handler Posts: 465 From: Holts Summit, MO Registered: Jun 2007 posted 07-27-2010 10:53 AM                        What are the key differences (besides 5 yr vs 10 yr) between the CBG deal and a direct deal with Real3d?  |  IP: Logged David Zylstra Master Film Handler Posts: 432 From: Novi, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 07-27-2010 12:04 PM                     The difference is that with CBG you take it or leave it as written, direct to RealD you can negotiate certain contract points. I am involved with a location that took the CBG deal as well as ones I negotiated myself - unfortunately I can't speak to specific differences (confidentiality reasons) but I encourage you to do a long term comparison of both contract models as well as explore Master Image and Dolby.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-27-2010 12:21 PM                     From the customer's point of view Real D and Dolby 3D both work really well if properly set up. With Real D it is particularly critical to get the system properly aligned otherwise the 3D effect isn't going to work as it should. Dolby 3D seems to work pretty well as long as it is used on a modest, not gigantic sized screen. Real D shouldn't be used on huge screens either. Digital 3D is already a watching movies with sunglasses experience; giant screen use turns the experience into Movies by Braille. IMHO, film-based IMAX-3D is the only 3D format worth a hoot for huge screens. The only odd thing I've noticed with Dolby 3D is if you turn your head to glance at something (such as a neon Warren Theaters clock on the wall) you catch a strange rainbow effect in the 3D image. No one is going to watch a whole movie out of the corners of their eyes though. I don't know how well Real D or Dolby 3D perform at the sides of the room or first few rows because I refuse to sit in those parts of the theater. Surround sound just doesn't work worth a damn in those viewing zones.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-27-2010 03:27 PM                        FWIW dept.: We have Dolby 3D here and I think it looks fine. We've had A LOT of people who have been to the Carmike in Billings, where they have RealD, and have told me that our picture looks way better than theirs. Aside from the system differences, it could be partly because our screen is smaller (their biggest auditoriums have about 50 foot screens, where ours is 30 feet). Also, people are saying the Dolby glasses are way cooler. And you know how important "cool" is to young people!  |  IP: Logged Mike Frese Master Film Handler Posts: 465 From: Holts Summit, MO Registered: Jun 2007 posted 07-27-2010 08:08 PM                        The confidentially agreements that CBG and Real3d insist upon using is a big red flag to me. If this was such a great deal for exhibitors; CBG would want their members talking about it in public.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-27-2010 08:16 PM                        You are exactly correct!! Louis  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-27-2010 08:28 PM                     We pulled our single Real-D when we upgraded to three screens and they sent us the contract to look at. Several trees died during the making of this document. We are now running Master Image. We own them. No more fees. True, you do have to clean the polarizer about every two weeks, but is that such a chore really? You clean your ports and lenses normally, right? I always had issues with the Real D image when they tried to move things close to you. It always seemed to break up and become unclear. No problems like that with M.I. Looks fine. It does suck up a bit more light than Real D, but we had plenty to spare.  |  IP: Logged David Zylstra Master Film Handler Posts: 432 From: Novi, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 07-27-2010 09:00 PM                     quote: Mike Frese If this was such a great deal for exhibitors; CBG would want their members talking about it in public. They don't want them to talk about it in public because both CBG and RealD don't want non-CBG members to know the details of their deal - one main motivation is that CBG wants more members to sign up and pay dues before they find out what deals you get rather than know what they are beforehand and decide if you want them before you pay. RealD does not want you to know the deal because then you may use it as leverage in negotiations, although the CBG version is different enough for this not to be effective. Pretty much ANY contract offered today will have a confidentiality clause included - it also works both ways where the clause protects the signer from the other party disclosing information it finds out about your business.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-27-2010 10:47 PM                     Dolby 3D and XpanD both can work well anywhere in the theatre. The silver screen solutions can not really say that. In terms of 3D quality, Real-D is definitely the worst, technically. It definitely has ghosting issues that the others, including Master Image does NOT have. Also, one should watch out for Real-D XL. It brings much more light to the equation but the further off center line your projector is (Vertically or horizontally) the worse your alignment is going to be and forget it on a curved screen. You'll never get the corners and the bottom center converged properly at the same time. That said, I think their alignment system for the XL is way cool, including the nifty gauge...it works. Mind you, my comments pertain to the single lens DLP solutions on Real-D...dual lens or dual projector systems likely do not have the same issues.  |  IP: Logged

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