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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 10-15-2009 08:57 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
TI is a public company...the DLP division has lost over 1 billion dollars on DLP to date. DCinema will NEVER recoup its costs. To justify the DLP division, it has to show that it somehow generates money, even collaterally. It can't.

As for Sony, the LCOS technology is about 1/3 the price to manufacture, right out of the chute. Sony, if they want, can ALWAYS undercut TI on the same resolution. Sony can port their DCinema "Dominance" into consumer sales of anything they want to label as having SXRD technology...projectors, televisions, cameras...whatever and Sony already has popular name in the television market.

Note, I have not talked about the quality of any of the technology...just the $$$$. It is also a fact that the DLP division at TI has lost MOST of their employees and that it now reports to "analog" at TI...not very promising for a digital division.

TI's last gasp hope for DLP is in the pico projector market...it will loose there too. Nikon just came out with a camera with a pico projector in it http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-Camera/26186/COOLPIX-S1000pj.html. It wasn't a TI projector either. You will see LCD and LCOS beat DLP in those projectors as well...TI can't get around that their technology is inherently more expensive than the others, is physically larger than the others and that folks are just not as "quality oriented." They just want it cheap and DLP looses on cheap.

Steve

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Karl Borowski
Expert Film Handler

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 - posted 10-16-2009 02:11 AM      Profile for Karl Borowski   Email Karl Borowski   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bobby: I don't think you and I are actually disagreeing on anything.

I'm arguing the rollout is going to happen, not whether or not it will make TI, Sony, or Barco any money.

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Dominic Espinosa
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 - posted 10-16-2009 10:33 AM      Profile for Dominic Espinosa   Email Dominic Espinosa   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Steve Guttag
Sony can port their DCinema "Dominance" into consumer sales of anything they want to label as having SXRD technology...
Oh they're not stopping there.

Sony is continuing to develop and push their 4K cameras, scanners, and intermediate system.

I half expect to see the technicians pull up in SONY branded cars at our next install...

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 10-16-2009 11:20 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Steve Guttag
To justify the DLP division, it has to show that it somehow generates money, even collaterally. It can't.

Steve also contimues to miss the boat. Not all companies WANT to make or show a profit. Many times the write off is more advantageous to the companie as a whole!! This is a very common thing in the aircraft industry!! Spin-offs also can and many times do make more profit for a company than the actual original invention does, and continuation on improving that original invention usually continues that trend...

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 10-16-2009 12:32 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Karl...the transition to digital is going to happen and I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. However, this discussion is more about who will be getting what sales there are and why.

As to why film will continue to hang on has everything to do with $$$$. Film remains, for the exhibitor, the cheapest form of exhibition. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to keep.

Steve

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James B Gardiner
Film Handler

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 - posted 10-21-2009 12:17 AM      Profile for James B Gardiner   Email James B Gardiner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
4K is 4K..
Sony, from what I hear, have completely re-done the heating system for the new projectors. This should bring its biggest problem, colour consistency accross the screen, into the DCI spec.
Plus the reductio in size.
Sony have a decent product now.
The issue with Sony is not the technology, in general they generally make great tech, especially after Version/generation 3 or 4. Its the lock in tendancy. The monopolistic bend on everything they do.

Could you imagine that, as a cinema operator, you purchased a typical Film projector, then from then on, you either purchase the same brand, or through all your current units out if you want to try another brand.
Sony has this stigma about it. Look at Minidisk, ATRAK(I think it was called, a compression system for Sony iPods)

But it was good that Steve pointed out that TI.. The only real reason TI are doing 4K now is to make sure they don't loose 1 billion dollars, and only loose about half that. Sony forcing TI's hand has simply increased the amount TI will loose on the project long term.

James

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Carsten Kurz
Film God

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The german head of Sony Digital Cinema told us that the 420 will not be offered in the cinema market as a DCI solution, only as a highend projector in the event and special venue market. Don't know wether this will be handled differently elsewhere.

- Carsten

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Kevin Fairchild
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Well Sony is releasing a new projector. It's just the 320, not the 420.
I think it is being released at ShowEast.
Hasn't anyone seen these ads around the internet?

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Carsten Kurz
Film God

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 - posted 10-28-2009 06:18 AM      Profile for Carsten Kurz   Email Carsten Kurz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There it is - the T420 in a DCI closet. They're boasting 4000:1 contrast ratio, half the size and weight of the 220:

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-digitalcinema/mkt-digitalcinemaprojectionsystems/product-SRXR320/

New media block LMT300.

- Carsten

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