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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 06-25-2010 02:20 AM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree with you all.

Master Image has its small shortcomings (dust, mechanical) and fair performance (a bit better light and ghosting than RealD-classic, but much less bright than RealD's XL).

The only problem with Master Image is the price. It should be a $5,000 piece of hardware (a rotating wheel, for pits sake) and it's hard to get it for under $33,000.

Dolby has become much more affordable in both, the filter kit and specially the glasses. It wasn't too smart when the glasses were $75, then $45, then $28, but at $17 it can at least be considered. If your market supports trusting each customer with a pair of $17+ glasses, then Dolby is the cheapest in the long run, other than Technicolor 3D. Besides being the best ghosting performer, but the worst in the light efficiency department.

But if you must use digital and polarized glasses, then I suggest you do a dual-projection setup instead of Master Image.

Say a bright projector for Master Image costs $50.000 plus $1200 for a bright lamp. And the wheel is say $33.000. Say $84.200 total.

Well, get 2 cheaper (less bright) projectors for say $45.000 x 2 and 2 cheaper lamps for say $500 x 2. A couple of polarizing filters can be whatever you want to spend for them, but no need to be more than another $1500. Total of $92.500.

Sure $92k+ is more expensive than $84k+. But you get two whole projectors and in case one breaks down the show can continue in 2D with the other. Plus you get a bit better light and ghosting performance and additional lamp life. When not doing 3D, the second projector could be moved to another house, etc. And the reselling value of a projector is probably better than a spinning wheel.

At Master Image price point, it just doesn't make economic sense. It should either perform much better or sell for much less. The way it stands now, dual projection is a better choice.

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 06-25-2010 06:40 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The USA...glasses are provided by the distributer for Master Image and Real-D. As such, Master Image is currently the most profitable, despite its large cost for the unit. With a $3 upcharge, you should have a return on investment of about 9 months for the Master Image part.

Master Image, at about 18% efficient, is enough that one need not use a largish projector for most screens so the dual projector does not really buy one anything in terms of light.

Now the argument for Dolby 3D on dual projector is an easier one. With only a 10% efficiency and on a white (lower gain or matte white) screen, the extra light of a second projector pays off in spades. You get more than a doubling of light on any wattage...so that 6KW system will be brighter running just 3KW.

Steve

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 06-26-2010 10:28 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Julio Roberto
and it's hard to get it for under $33,000.
I can certainly help you there!

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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From: Freehold, NJ, USA
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 - posted 06-27-2010 07:20 PM      Profile for John T. Hendrickson, Jr   Email John T. Hendrickson, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As previously stated, we went with Master Image and have had no regrets (YET). As far as Dolby 3D is concerned, I have no doubt that it is a superior system, BUT, from reports we have been getting in our area, it is an operational nightmare in terms of logistics- washing and proper sanitizing of the glasses, & theft of glasses being the big complaints from others we have talked to.

It's labor intensive, and requires supervision. Ok, you say we are cheap- fine. Our owners would rather not deal with the headaches. I can't say that I blame them.

So- pick your poison. Guess you could say that I'm not a fan of 3D to begin with. That's just me.

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Matt Fields
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 - posted 06-27-2010 07:26 PM      Profile for Matt Fields   Email Matt Fields   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have Dolby 3D at my place and love it, but it is not for everybody.

It will only work well (Glasses cleaned properly and theft kept to a minimum) with dedicated management. It also helps when your building layout makes it easy to monitor people.

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