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Author Topic: Ingesting Doremi DCP2000 Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-19-2011 08:47 AM                     I know there is no eSATA port but thats pretty easy to add to any computer. The Doremi's architecture should alliw for that to happen pretty easily. Doremi is also normally pretty good at accomodating customers needs. Mark  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-19-2011 11:34 AM                     This is a good example of where price was the deciding factor over needs. If Doremi was the server of choice, then the DCP2K4 should have been purchased due to the specific scheduling needs of this theater.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-19-2011 12:32 PM                     The 2K4 is the choice for an operation like this if you're getting Doremi. If he's getting used, you get what they have. If it's new, I recommend changing the order to a 2K4. The cost is basically the same as far as I know, you lose the touchscreen and gain a CRU bay and DVD drive. Supplying a keyboard/monitor/mouse set is not a big dollar job. I've been using integrated keyboard/trackball units so you don't need a desktop for a mouse: mounting the monitor on the side of the rack or on a rack panel and reversing a rackmount shelf below it for the kb is easy. In theory you can add an eSATA card to the DCP2000 server and use a separate CRU rackmount bay. Adding the card and getting it to work should be done by an experienced Doremi tech: it ain't simple and the process is not documented, and (at least on the TMS server) only some eSATA cards are compatible. If you're a Linux wizard it isn't hard but if you're not.... nope. Also this costs more than changing to a 2K4, and you still have that nasty little touchscreen: for the kind of operation described, they're going to get a monitor and keyboard pretty soon anyway.  |  IP: Logged William F Green Film Handler Posts: 84 From: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Registered: Jun 2005 posted 08-19-2011 05:46 PM                     Carsten, thanks for all the links to CRU drives etc - very useful. Brad, I see exactly the point you are making but unfortunately I can't change the server (at least not at this moment)- it's coming as a package of used/refurbished equipment which is: Doremi DCP 2000 (inc. all latest hardware upgrades including the very latest FIPS compliant media block) Cine IPM UPS Router NEC NC800C pedestal/base Yes, it's going in a single screen so any additional servers or TMS is would be over the top - the only real issue for us is that we do have several features each weekend. But.. I do have a major advantage I suppose in that the projection/server equipment will not actually be installed for a while yet. It's going to be stored in my office until then and so I will have the chance to try out things such as add an ESATA card without the risk of losing shows if I screw things up! As soon as the stuff is here (should be next week or week after I think) I'll know precisely what I've got in terms of ingest options.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-19-2011 07:01 PM                     The ingest options are simple: USB 2.0: one jack on the front and two on the back. Also you can set up other servers for ingest, and probably use ftp from another system on your network; you may be able to ingest on a PC and transfer the package to the server... pretty quick on gigabit ethernet at least, about as fast as the CRU eSATA drive ingesting from another server (as long as neither is playing content, that really slows down a fast ingest but doesn't slow down the dog-slow USB ingest much).  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-19-2011 08:29 PM                     If you're gonna have lots of features, you oughta makes sure that the three drives in that 2000 are 1TB each, for the 2000 could come with three drives but your total storage space could be less than 1TB...and you don't want to load up past 90% full, or you could have some playback issues. I have a 2000 that I try to keep below 70% at all times since my total space is only 850G for the three drives - just to be safe..  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-19-2011 10:03 PM                     True. They come with three 500gb or 1tb drives, you will want the 1tb drives. With three drives in a RAID array I think you get a bit over 2tb total storage. If you have several features a week I think you should have the bigger drives. It isn't a huge expense to upgrade if the unit comes with 500gb drives (disk drives are pretty cheap, even these "enterprise" ones), and it's best to do such an upgrade before your opening because installing the drives takes several hours to format them and builds the logical RAID array, plus any content on the old drives is gone. The Doremi saves content and playlists on the RAID, system software and playlist macros are on the flash drive. Pull out any content you will need - like test material - to a usb stick before doing a format and build on the RAID. You should learn enough Linux to be able to do that.  |  IP: Logged William F Green Film Handler Posts: 84 From: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Registered: Jun 2005 posted 08-20-2011 06:34 AM                     On the original equipment offer it stated either 3 x 500gb or 3 x 1TB drives. I've requested that we get a server with the 3 x 1TB drives for the reasons above. Will check before they send it that it will in fact be 1TB. Just out of interest, why does the server need a certain amount of free space to playback properly? Does it create a temporary file during playback?  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 08-20-2011 08:38 AM                     No, there is no restriction like that on the Doremi. Most people just do that to be on the safe side. The Doremi will complain early enough on the ingest module if it runs out of disc space. It runs the OS of a flash drive, and has a separate RAID partition for system files that may need some separate space to keep the server running. This separate space is not used for any content. I see no problem with filling up the entire content RAID partition on the Doremi. You should, indeed try to get the 3*1TB version, or upgrade to it as soon as possible, which will only cost you roughly 70-100 GBP per drive, depending on drive and installation cost. Before ripping apart the Doremi with your own SATA experiments - I would first contact Doremi about 'official' options. The base of the Doremi is a plain-vanilla PC, but the Doremi software may restrict the use of certain ports. There is no need to hurry on the SATA thingy anyway - you will be okay with USB for a while, and even with SATA, you will definitly need a large RAID with your show schedule. You should spend your learning time on show programming while the unit is sitting in your office, instead of ripping it apart ;-) BTW - you should also check your audio options in advance. Doremi used to have a choice of analog vs. digital out options on the older units, whereas nowadays only the digital out option is common. This either needs the external AUD-D2A converter or a direct digital AES connection to a digital cinema processor. You should check which version you will receive. What does your current 35mm sound setup look like, which processor/sound systems do you operate? Would you tell me what your DSN/AAM contact is for the purchase of your system? I saw an article on these systems on Cinema Technology Magazine, but I don't remember an official contact for the programme. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-20-2011 11:30 AM                     Good point on the sound source. There are a few choices for a D-A converter: the Doremi AUD-2A works well, USL makes a good one, there are others, and there are cinema processors with digital inputs. If you use the AUD-2A the sound sync will be good "out of the box". I'm not sure about the USL, but if you go digital into a CP750 you have to change a setting in the server to get the sound in sync - the processing latency is different from the AUD-2A so the analog sound is either before or after the picture a bit: Doremi sets their server's sync setting for their D-A. This adjustment is pretty easy and Doremi support will tell you the terminal commands to do it. The Doremi analog output card (a server option) works fine as well, I usually advise against it but we deal mostly with multiplexes. Having a separate D-A gives a bit more flexibility for swapping stuff around a multiplex if there's a failure of either a server or D-A, and our backup servers (that we can ship immediately if a client's unit fails) do not have the internal analog output card.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-20-2011 11:53 AM                     The CP750 lets one set the delay in the CP750 (specifically for each input). The USL DAX 602 and 802 also provide for setting the delay level. The DAX602 has a few other nifty features too. It is pretty impressive for such a small and inexpensive box. -Steve  |  IP: Logged William F Green Film Handler Posts: 84 From: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Registered: Jun 2005 posted 08-22-2011 07:29 AM                     Sound - that was my next question. I can't find any online UK pricing for USL processors. But for the sake of comparison - how do USL processors compare price-wise with a Dolby CP 750? What is the best option in terms of flexibility/facilities/quality/value etc? I do have a UK price of a CP750 which is in the region of £2500. We do own an old CP45 but it's not currently fitted and it would seem to be a waste to go to the expense of getting this analogue processor installed and EQ'ed to then have to add a DA converter as well when a new digital processor could do the entire job. At the moment we are using an inherited non-processed 3 channel analogue system which is basic (crude if you like) but functional. Maybe a cheap-ish DA converter could act as a stop-gap until we have more finances available to add a new processor.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 08-22-2011 07:58 AM                     How many amplifier channels/speakers do you have on your screen currently? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged William F Green Film Handler Posts: 84 From: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Registered: Jun 2005 posted 08-22-2011 08:08 AM                     Left - Right - Sub No centre channel & no surround. Yes, I know it's pretty limited!  |  IP: Logged Anders Nordentoft-Madsen Film Handler Posts: 57 From: Valby, Denmark Registered: Aug 2005 posted 08-22-2011 08:10 AM                        Right now I have 10 movies ingestet on this server, with the 3 x 1 TB configuration and have 285 GB left. I have 2 Doremi's, and ingesting between them (direct ethernet GB link with no router in-between) is even faster, in my experience, than ingesting from the CRU slot (I have one DCP2000 and one DCP-2K4). This is of course with no playback on ether server. If you still need more space, maybe setting up a NAS or a PC with at FTP server and making a direct Ethernet connection between them would be a solution. You could probably even do Play'n'ingest...  |  IP: Logged

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