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Stefan Vogels
Film Handler

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From: Aarle-Rixtel, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands
Registered: Jan 2010

posted 10-23-2013 01:57 PM

Package 4.208 is the latest release for NEC series II projectors

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 10-23-2013 04:15 PM

For series 1, the NC1600 latest is 2.14, for the NC2500, the latest is 2.11

The NEC DCC does not have the same screen as the Barco Communicator. If you are familiar with the TI DLP program, I believe the functionality is there.

Note, TI series 1 DLP software does not like Win 7 64 bit...it will frequently "quit" on its own.

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Mohd Ridzuan
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From: K.L , Malaysia
Registered: Jul 2012

posted 10-24-2013 12:03 AM

Hi all,

thanx again for your kindness help. Today morning we tried playing the same content but this time the subtitle is there. is it everytime the subtitle gone we need to reboot the projectors? feels like annoying. but what to do if its only way to solved the issue.

Anyone had other solutions?

Best regards

Wan

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Carsten Kurz
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From: Cologne, NRW, Germany
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posted 10-24-2013 04:07 AM

If you search the forum, there is loads of experiences like your's with subtitles. It has become better with recent software releases, but the implementation is still a piece of crap.

- Carsten

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 10-24-2013 08:06 AM

Word has it that when the "SMPTE" implementation happens for subtitles, that these problems will subside. We'll see.

I'll admit, in our theatres running current software (projectors and servers) I don't get subtitle complaints anymore.

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Carsten Kurz
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posted 10-24-2013 10:42 AM

Wondering in how far SMPTE subtitles will actually do something in respect to the server/projector communication? One thing is the server dealing with the subtitle files in the DCP, another thing the interface and protocol between server and projector to transmit and display them.

In theory, you could 'have' SMPTE subtitles in the DCP, but still the unreliable old way of doing it between server and projector ?! Or does SMPTE redefine that protocol as well?

- Carsten

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Steve Guttag
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posted 10-24-2013 04:13 PM

I believe that the SMPTE method does away with CineCanvas and the subtitles come over "burned" into the image.

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Mohd Ridzuan
Film Handler

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From: K.L , Malaysia
Registered: Jul 2012

posted 10-24-2013 10:32 PM

Hi Steve, do you know any link or website to download firmware and software data for NEC. Or technical site for NEC so i can apply an account to get the release updates. Thanx again

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Antti Nayha
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From: Helsinki, Finland
Registered: Oct 2008

posted 10-25-2013 12:02 AM

quote: Steve Guttag
I believe that the SMPTE method does away with CineCanvas and the subtitles come over "burned" into the image.

Do you mean that SMPTE subtitles are always rendered in the server instead of the projector? Is that really so?

It's just that I've come across some discussion about if projector family X supports SMPTE subtitles or not. But that wouldn't be relevant at all if they were rendered in the server, right?

For example, let's take the ISDCF Chairman Summaries document:

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Will series 1 projectors work for SMPTE subtitles?

quote:
For the March demo TI had not finished the open subtitle software to display SMPTE Subtitles for Series 1. The Series 2 projectors do not have either subtitle software (as of today’s date). We saw three servers that generate open subtitles internally and do not rely on the projector rendering engine. This may be the wave of the future, but this was not possible 5 years ago at launch so the availability of projector rendering of on-screen subtitles has been very important to the launch of Digital Cinema. I expect to see Series 1 projectors with SMPTE subtitles in a few months followed by Series 2 projectors with both Cinecanvas and SMPTE subtitles.

I've also been wondering about the exact function of the new CineCanvas/SMPTE option introduced in Dolby System 4.6. From the release notes:

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“setPresentationListType” script added to the Administrator login. Allows the user to change between CineCanvas and SMPTE RPL for subtitle display. CineCanvas is the only option when using a series 1 projector.

Is this about converting SMPTE subtitles to CineCanvas to support older projectors / projectors with SMPTE subtitle problems?

I tried switching it around on 4.6.1(4) just out of curiosity, but the script failed to execute...

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Carsten Kurz
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posted 10-25-2013 08:58 AM

Hmm, if SMPTE title generation stays in the projector, how can we be sure TI doesn't screw it up again? What kept TI from fixing Cinecanvas during the recent years?

- Carsten

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Carsten Kurz
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posted 10-25-2013 03:36 PM

BTW - Doremi is still adding features to their server-side subtitling engine, e.g. customizable position offsets. Initially I thought they would give it up after the final advent of Cinecanvas on series 2.
Sonys do not support Cinecanvas anyway, so they render on the server/mediablock as well. With 3D titles, HFR, etc. coming, server-side rendering may indeed be the better way to do it. Would also offer more options to render them more gracefully. Very often Cinecanvas looks pretty ugly.

- Carsten

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 10-25-2013 04:55 PM

CineCanvas is pathetic. Darn near every ICP issue they are fiddling with it and it STILL is unreliable. Furthermore, the whole way DCinema handles captions/subtitles is hokey, to say the least.

It is almost as if it was designed to fail.

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Mohd Ridzuan
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From: K.L , Malaysia
Registered: Jul 2012

posted 10-27-2013 09:55 PM

Hi All,

Did anyone knows where to get firmware updates for NEC. Any link or person contact to get an account?

Thanx FT,

Wan

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