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Author Topic: Sound Sample Rates Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-22-2013 12:27 AM                     Aaron, If we're going to do this, let's do it right. We will get the same title (yes prints and all video formats of the same movie are accessible) and A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H it in the screening room, all formats running at the same time. VHS Hi-Fi DVD Laserdisc Bluray D-VHS 35mm SR 70mm mag Internet streaming Just for giggles, I may even be able to borrow a 16mm print from a local collector. You up for it? Maybe F can list several movies where he was involved in the near-field mix that he feels proud of and we can track down a print of that and compare too.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-22-2013 12:39 AM                     Which film would be on all of those formats? Now I just need time and money to visit Texas. AJG  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-22-2013 10:14 AM                     Terminator 2: Judgment Day and Backdraft are probably the only movies released on all of those formats. Alien and Die Hard were released on all of those formats, except Alien was released several years before Dolby SR was introduced. I'm pretty sure the 35mm prints of Die Hard were Dolby A, not SR. Even the 70mm prints of Die Hard were Dolby A. True Lies was released on almost all those formats, but Fox hasn't coughed up a Blu-ray of it yet. Hell, they never bothered to release a proper anamorphic widescreen DVD either! (edit: not in the North America region) But the movie was released in 70mm mag, 35mm Dolby SR (with DD and DTS). My parents have "D-Theater" D-VHS copy of it.  |  IP: Logged F. Hudson Miller Film Handler Posts: 48 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2009 posted 03-22-2013 10:15 AM                  Don't forget DCP.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-22-2013 11:40 AM                     I've heard the DVHS mix of True Lies. It was very very good on my system. It felt better than both the AC3 and DTS LaserDiscs I have. I never bothered with the DVD. What I wouldn't give for an awesome Blu-ray or a chance to see it on film. AJG  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-22-2013 12:13 PM                     Rumor has it Fox is working on Blu-ray releases of True Lies and The Abyss and may release them sometime this year. Of course other rumors have been buzzing about those two movies for years. I don't know what's causing the hold-up on these discs. Is James Cameron wanting to perform some CGI revisionism to scenes in these movies? I wonder since there's a couple obvious nits to pick -like the few shots in True Lies where you can clearly see the face of the stunt double standing in for Arnold Swarzenegger.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-22-2013 04:07 PM                     Anyone who thinks Grauman's Chinese Theater has crappy sound didn't see True Lies there. It played there in 70mm-magnetic Dolby SR (the last such presentation at that venue), and it was fantastic.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-22-2013 04:17 PM                     To be fair True Lies was released nearly 19 years ago. I've seen good theaters go from good to bad in far less time than that.  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 03-22-2013 04:43 PM                     The uncompressed PCM 2.0 track on the True Lies LaserDisc is an emulation of the 35mm Dolby SR optical track, and sounds amazing on my home theater in DTS Neo:6 Cinema Mode. My mother compared it to Blu-ray audio, and she's not keen on A/V stuff. I don't have an AC-3 RF demodulator or an LD player with an AC-3 RF output, but I can imagine the AC-3 track is better. I need to get a D-Theater collection.  |  IP: Logged F. Hudson Miller Film Handler Posts: 48 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2009 posted 03-22-2013 04:52 PM                  The last picture I saw in the Chinese Theater was "Casino Royal." It has the same problems it has always had, its way to live for the film theater. It was designed before the advent of sound. It is quite possible that a live ensemble with a film would sound great, but it is a very muddy room with massive dialogue inteligability issues. The have tried lots of things to make it better, but it is pretty much un-salvageable. What you need to do is love it for what it is, the most famous picture palace in the world; don't worry about the presentation as much as the iconic Hollywood experience.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-22-2013 06:07 PM                     The General Cinemas Northpark 1-2 in Dallas was kind of the opposite of the Chinese Theater in terms of decor. The theater looked nice, but was really conservative in appearance. It kind of had a 60's-70's minimalist architectural vibe. But the twin had it where it counts: great picture and great sound. None of the premiere class theaters I visited in New York City sounded as good as the Northpark #1 screen.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 03-22-2013 06:09 PM                       I have to agree with F. here. This is a very live venue and it has been worked on for years by just about everyone. There was a time when the HF drivers had a very short life there. If electronics and the best speakers were the answer, someone would have found the answer by now. Understanding dialog is always a chore. Not to say action films are not fun here, but it is a far from the perfect venue.  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 03-22-2013 06:30 PM                     The Ziegfeld Theatre in New York City had dialog intelligibility issues, but that was built in 1969 (the current one). I believe they fixed it last time I've been there when I saw The Amazing Spider-Man, but the 3D had some banding unlike the IMAX 3D presentation of the film I saw earlier at the UA Westbury Stadium 12.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 03-22-2013 06:39 PM                       The Chinese was for worse than the Ziegfeld which I don't feel was bad, quite good all things considered.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-22-2013 09:25 PM                     My experience at the Chinese was good, not great. Bass was nice, dialogue was easy to understand. But it was so live that it felt odd. Too bad since it is such a beautiful place. The Aero was wonderful. Lawrence in 70mm DTS was a real treat. AJG  |  IP: Logged

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