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Author Topic: "70mm" DCPs and their formatting (and other classic titles converted to DCP) Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-18-2013 07:24 PM                     quote: Marcel Birgelen "Looking better" is extremely subjective. Hence the "quotation marks" in my comment: quote: Manny Knowles circumstances conspired to make it so that a 2K DCP "looked better" than 35mm prints and projection.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-05-2013 04:20 PM                     John Carpenter's "The Thing" (1982) 2.39 inside 16x9 2-channel Lt/Rt Sounded great decoded, but it required me to re-wire. 10-sec of black after final logo fades out. (I hate when they do this.) Since this is a Universal Pictures release, I thought I'd link to this related topic: Mono Sound on Universal Pictures To clarify - "The Thing" is NOT mono, but it's another example of Universal making this mistake with a DCP conversion. DCP audio should be discrete.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-05-2013 05:48 PM                     "Dracula" (1931 Spanish version with English Subtitles). Listed as 1.33 within the FLAT format. DRACULA-SPANISH_FTR-2-1931_F-133_ES-EN_INTL-TD_10_C_2K_UP_20120803_DLA_VF In genuine "mono" 1.0 Note, the "VF" is for the English subtitles. One has to also get the OV version too.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-14-2013 07:43 AM                     quote: Manny Knowles 2-channel Lt/Rt Sounded great decoded, but it required me to re-wire. Can you explain? Was the Lt/Rt matrix encoded?!? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-15-2013 05:50 PM                     Lt/Rt = matrix encoded, by definition.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-15-2013 07:39 PM                     Wow. In a DCP? What are they thinking? Did they indicate this, and if, how? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-15-2013 08:27 PM                     They did not indicate it. The DCP file name just referenced "20" instead of, say, "51." No specific mention that it is an Lt/Rt. No mention of matrix encoding/decoding. Just "20" People making these DCP's are either ignorant or evil. Either they don't know that they're doing it wrong. Or they know, but they don't care. Ignorant or evil.  |  IP: Logged Lincoln Spector Film Handler Posts: 46 From: Albany, CA, USA Registered: Mar 2012 posted 10-18-2013 07:14 PM                        Here's my guess about what happened with Warner & 2001: Warner released the Blu-ray pretty early, and made some mistakes that seem stupid today. Consider the audio: They included the same 5.1 mix in Dolby Digital (very lossy) and PCM (no compression, but only 16-bit). My guess is they made a 2K scan because, well, it was a 2K medium. But a 2K scan isn't near enough to capture a 65mm negative, even for a 2K release medium. Then, when someone asked for a DCP, they just transferred the 2K Blu-ray master. So now they have it on DCP and Blu-ray and why would they need to do anything better? Of course, what they really need to do is an 8K scan and a 4K master, like Lawrence. Lincoln  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-18-2013 11:34 PM                     Unfortunately, Grover Crisp doesn't work for Warners.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-19-2013 11:07 AM                     I got some news for you...I've seen the 4K DCP of Lawrence...it looks like dog-crap. Or how do you all put it I'm telling you, the DCPs I've seen of classic titles are just awful. Both picture AND sound...could they try to do a crappier job? I suppose. My jaw just dropped when I saw it.  |  IP: Logged Antti Nayha Master Film Handler Posts: 268 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: Oct 2008 posted 10-21-2013 02:15 AM                     Regarding the 2.0 / LtRt issue: I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but the Digital Cinema Naming Convention doesn't even acknowledge the possibility of a 2.0 LoRo (discrete stereo) audio track. According to it, "20" in the CPL always means 2.0 LtRt.  |  IP: Logged

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