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Author Topic: NEC900C V Chiriste Solaria One Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 02-24-2014 01:38 AM                       I had the same experience as Guttag. In a multi-screen with a 2210 and 2230, they just ran out of money and bought the Solaria instead of the 2210 despite all the warning, cajoling, etc.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-24-2014 08:13 AM                        Money Matters.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-24-2014 08:41 AM                     I know that as a dealer, I'd rather be paid with money you have rather than money you hope to attain! Recently we put in an NC900C where there had been only Barcos (20C and 12C) to finish off a non-profit complex. The NC900 had MORE than enough light for the screen so that wasn't an issue. The other theatres had Dolby servers and so does the new one...the others had eCNA automations and so does the new one. As a result, despite being a different projector, the user interface is really identical. The new screen joined the TMS system and appears the same...the automation is configured so their opening/closing procedures are identical for that screen as the others (no different buttons/switches are needed). That is one reason I prefer separate automations too...it ensures that the user-experience is uniform...same cues, same everything despite being different equipment. Since Dolby handles TMS functions for up to 3 screens without the purchase of an external TMS/LMS system, it cost them nothing to add this one screen to the TMS.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-24-2014 10:28 PM                     quote: Tim OBrien As I recall, the price differential between the S2K and .98" projectors was about $10k. Was this really a deal breaker for theatres already choking down a $35-$40k bill for conversion? It's actually considerably more than 10K to jump to the .98" chips. More like 14K to 17K extra depending on pedestal, automation and other accessories you might want or need. You are forgetting that the price of the 900C or the Barco 10SX INCLUDES the lens and lamp(s) and that there are budget priced pedestals for them in the $500.00 realm. Those are all extras if you jump to say an NC-1200 or equivelent size Cristie or Barco. Some of the larger more flexible pedestals are over 2 grand with electrics if you require such a beast, expect to pay at least a grand here. Is your audio system in the projection console? Now you have to buy a rack and have all of it moved over to the new rack and rewired in. You'd never believe how many sound systems I had to re-locate in the last 5 years! If you have an oddball throw the lens can set you back as much as 6 grand with an average lens costing in the 4 grand region. PLUS the difference in cost of the projector and all the added shipping expense. Don't forget the electricians that you are gonna need to hook up the 220 volts to that mid sized projector unless you are licensed to do it yourself. None of them run on 120 volts like the NC-900 does where legally YOU can plug it in the wall outlet and do your own installs... if you know how. So lets just say 14 grand a booth more to be conservative plus some extra electrical and possibly hvac expenses. Oh and one last thing... How is your exhaust blower? The S2K projectors ventilate into the room but I've had instances where the heat builds up too much and you still need to run the booth exhaust to keep booth temperature under control. The average one show a night single screen second run location is never ever gonna see pay back even on the small 40 grand projector. For the many drive inns that have converted it is even worse. All these places are buying this out of pocket, a few have even had equipment donated when they told the community they would have to close down. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-25-2014 05:49 AM                     Mark...all Barco projectors always included the lens and the crappy Osram lamp. The jump is normally not as much as Mark is stating. Before we arrive we have an L6 type outlet at the ready...yes there is a cost to adding the outlet...but there may not be a 120V circuit there with enough extra amperage either. We have required a fresh circuit for the NC900s too. As for pedestals...there are cheap pedestals for the .98" projectors...heck Christie's Solaria 1 is the same footprint as the CP2215...then again so is the DP2K-10S versus the DP2K-C...the 10S is only less tall...but the feet land in the same places.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 02-25-2014 06:42 AM                     I haven't seen recent offers for 2210 (or 2215), but the difference between an S2k with integrated server and the smallest 0.98+standard server used to be in the +15to20 kUS$ range. Or, in other words, due to more or less identical hardware and installation effort, the difference between the smaller 1.2" and a 2210 used to be in the 5000-10.000US$ range. Even the Barco DP2K-10Sx with the most similarities (modularity) to a 'real' series 2 machine like the 2210 is WAY cheaper than that. In the beginning when the IMS1000 was not yet available, they even delivered it with the Doremi IMB+SV combo at no additional cost, which was great deal to have a real server with it. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-25-2014 04:46 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag Mark...all Barco projectors always included the lens and the crappy Osram lamp. The jump is normally not as much as Mark is stating. Well, you make it sound like it's included free Steve when it certainly isn't. Barco projectors are considerably higher priced to begin with so that lens cost is just reflecting that higher projector cost. You are still paying for it either way. You are still forgetting the more expensive pedestal, more shipping expense and any hvac expenses. Having the outlet in a head of time is a nice idea. It doesn't work in every situation though as there may be no place to hook it to until present equipment is disconnected and removed so breakers are freed up. It may also not land where you need t due to other conflicting stuff mounted where you need it to go. It really doesn't save any time having it installed before hand. I much prefer to have the electrician present when I am present so there is no mis-communication on what is needed or where. There is always plenty of time for him to do his thing while dismantling is taking place. Carsten... I no longer see any difference in using a built in a server vs. a full size server. Both use the same GUI, GDC at least has the same HD space available (it is also easily moved around) and I know Doremi is a bit lacking there but still passable, you can fit a cru bay to it and both large and small work exactly the same. In a large multiplex the full size servers are going to cost considerably more for power than the plug in alternatives. 300 watts per server vs. about 40 watts per plug in IMS is a huge amount of money spent for nothing gained (except a larger power bill) over a years time. The reality is the plug in servers offer more methods for media storage than larger servers have yet to adapt themselves to. Mark  |  IP: Logged Igor Maliuk Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Kiev Ukraine Registered: Mar 2014 posted 03-30-2014 12:35 AM                        We are looking for a projector for small cinema Actually we consider NEC NC 900 and BARCO 8sx Which would you advise?  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-30-2014 01:17 PM                     What is your quoted price difference? The Barco definitely is the higher quality built machine, and more flexible. If you can afford it, get it. If you're short on money, the NEC will serve your needs probably just as well. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Igor Maliuk Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Kiev Ukraine Registered: Mar 2014 posted 04-16-2014 11:46 AM                        What about exloatation cost?  |  IP: Logged

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