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Carsten Kurz
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I guess they could use laser cutting for the perforations nowadays, but it would probably be more expensive than ordinary mechanical perforating.

The random pattern should be not such a big problem. There is a lot of 'classic' theory available, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither

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Marcel Birgelen
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Laser cutting sounds like a plausible solution, but wouldn't laser cutting create burned edges around the perforations?

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Carsten Kurz
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No, laser cutting can produce very clean edges, surprisingly clean.

BTW - we have a wall covering in our old cinema made from PVC in the fifties. It has about the same perforation pattern as our screen. They could do these perfs perfectly even back then. I guess all 'roller-type' perforaters would produce visible bands when using random patterns.

Heck, the best way to do it is to hang an unperforated screen, then switch on your laser projector and play a 4k dither_perf DCP ;-)

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Some screen manufacturers have already modified their perf pattern for DLPee. Severtson is one of them. I have always had way less moire on a Severtson screen then on any other surface.

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Carsten Kurz
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Any info in how far their perforation differs? Is it more random, or applied at an angle?

Wondering wether you could actually hang any 'straight' perf screen slightly angled and then let the masking take care of it? You loose some screen estate, but then this standard screen material is far less costly than those optimized versions. Wondering how much of an angle is needed to reduce moire noticeably?

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