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Edward Havens
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If you want to blame anyone for remakes and sequels and comic book movies, blame the audiences. If one looks at the top performing films of 2011, one has to go all the way down to #10 (Bridesmaids) to find a movie not based on a novel or a comic or a toy line or a ride at Disneyland.

As for 3D glasses, I predict this will eventually end up with a price-sharing deal. Exhibitors and distributors will split the cost of glasses, and the managers at the theatre level will have to spend time tracking their glasses inventories, so one of the parties don't get overcharged for the amount of glasses handed out.

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Mark J. Marshall
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Theaters should just sell the glasses separately, but they should sell cheap ones and better quality expensive ones. They would make money on the sales, the smart consumers would hold on to them, hopefully there would be less waste and less inventory to keep track of. Everybody wins. Kind of like what Steve said.

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Keegan O'Brien
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I have no problem with the price of 3D increasing for the consumer. At least in my social circle, it's rare that anyone will pay the surcharge for 3D anyway, so another price hike will just diminish the likely hood of people going to a 3D movie even more; which is, in my opinion, great. I keep seeing less and less 3D show times at my local cinema, which is exciting.

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Carsten Kurz
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There are already high quality third-party re-usable glases on the market - loads of them. Cinemas just need to start selling them - which will only start after they or the patrons have to pay for the cheap RealD glasses multiple times.
E.g. the polaroid RealD compatible glasses are excellent and offer a noticably better 3D experience.

We probably won't see third-party Dolby 3D compatible glasses, since there's a patent from Infitec on the technology, and they are also quite expensive to make, at least in higher qualities like the original Dolby ones, left alone large viewing angles.

There's no patent on circular polarization, so these are much cheaper to produce, both regarding license as well as technological reasons. Too bad RealD is the worst performing 3D system, at least the Z-Screen and XL.

Talking about Sony and 3D glasses - Sony is just about to release the Panavision 3D system with their split-lens as an alternative to RealD XLS. This will not need silver screens. It will have reusable glasses similiar to the Dolby/Infitec approach.
Maybe these two different 3D systems is part of the reason why Sony wants to stop subsidizing 3D glasses. Sure it's unfair to support only the cheap disposable glasses, but not the reusable ones.

- Carsten

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Keegan O'Brien
I keep seeing less and less 3D show times at my local cinema, which is exciting.
I'm in a 3D dilemma. We are now usually able to offer 2D and 3D shows, but of course the film company wants the "prime" showtimes to be in 3D. So we're offering things like late shows and matinees and Tues-Wed-Thur evenings in 2D....but almost without fail, those shows are nearly deserted. So this week with Puss in Boots, we went to just 2 nights of 2D (Wed-Thur) plus 2D late shows on Fri-Sat. We'll see what happens but around here people still seem to be loving the 3D for the most part.

I think it could be partly because we skip over a lot of 3D movies that aren't too good, like 3 Musketeers. Thus we don't have 3D overload.

I do know that kids are LOVING the new kid-size Dolby 3D glasses. They also come back much less disgusting than the other glasses did.

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Steve Guttag
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Well it looks like Sony backed down (this time).

http://the3d.co/2012/05/25/sony-backs-down-over-3d-glasses-for-men-in-black-3d/

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Sony Pictures agrees to pay for “Men in Black 3″ 3-D glasses
Sony Pictures Entertainment has backed down from its refusal to pay for the 3-D glasses on this weekend’s science fiction sequel “Men in Black 3.” But the studio still doesn’t see eye to eye with exhibitors on the issue.
Sony sent a letter to exhibitors last fall informing them that as of May 1, 2012, it would not longer pay 3-D technology companies such as RealD the average cost of about 45 cents per ticket for 3-D glasses used by moviegoers. Sony contends that theaters, not studios, should cover the cost of supplying the glasses, which can add up to $10 million for very popular films.
In Europe, theaters cover the cost of glasses and sell them to patrons. In the U.S., moviegoers can use the glasses free of charge.
Leading theater chains have balked at changing the model in North America, noting that they already pay a license fee for 3-D equipment in their theaters. Executives of Regal and Cinemark recently reiterated to investors that they had no intention of paying for the 3-D glasses.
That prompted Sony to back down, at least for “Men in Black 3,” said two industry executives familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified. That’s not surprising given that tracking is good on the movie. The last thing Sony wants is to give people a reason not see the movie, which will be widely distributed in 3-D and 2-D.
Steve Elzer, a spokesman for Sony Pictures Entertainment, declined to comment on the studio’s decision but said: “Without affecting consumer access to our upcoming 3D pictures, we continue discussing this matter with the exhibition community while working towards a longterm solution that addresses our concerns about embracing a more sustainable eyewear model. Our position has not changed: it is not our intent to indefinitely subsidize 3D eyewear.”
The battle over who would pay for 3-D glasses first flared up in 2009, when 20th Century Foxattempted to stop paying for glasses and then relented when no other studios supported the decision.


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Joe Redifer
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So wait... if Sony's paying for the glasses, there should be no upcharge for the customer, right? RIGHT?

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Frank Cox
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Real D still wants their royalty, so no. Wrong. Sorry.

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Mike Frese
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This situation really supports the notion that Dolby 3d is preferred (if you needed any more reasons). We (the small operators) have no power of Real3d. Which means people like Frank will always have to pay Real3d a royalty.

Dolby 3d will be the way we will go in the future. It offers the most flexibility regarding pricing. I would imagine a theater in a competitive environment would do very well by charging NO 3d upcharge. Dolby 3d gives you the best way to do such.

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Joe Redifer
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If there is an upcharge at the theater level, studios shouldn't have to pay for shit. They have no obligation to pay. If you want them to, stop charging customers or don't buy crap like Real D.

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Frank Cox
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I'm actually pretty happy that I went with Real D instead of Dolby or anything else.

I don't have to chase after people to get the glasses back. If I needed all of the glasses back I would have to have someone guarding the fire exit door after every show, as well as the front door.

I don't have to wash glasses, don't have to worry about glasses getting broken. Didn't pay thousands of dollars up front to get the Real D system...

Frankly, if I didn't have Real D I probably wouldn't have 3D here at all. Way too much hassle for an extra buck or so per head.

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Steve Guttag
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Ah...but if you did the math...you'd be making far more than a buck if you did Dolby 3D and had the said ushers and cleaning equipment. The cost for Dolby glasses is on the order of 4-5 cents per show...versus 50-cents. The amount of money you will give to Real-D over the 10-years would make your hassle seem trivial.

Another option, far better than Real-D is Master Image...at this point, also free-glasses...so no labor/hassle. In less than 2-years, MasterImage surpasses Real-D in profits.

Financially, all Real-D has to offer is low up-front costs. It is a big loser long-term on the cash.

Technically, it is pretty efficient with the XL but at a cost in resolution (that too many people seem to dismiss or not notice).

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Mike Frese
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Ahh Steve long term costs mean nothing. I give credit to Real3d for their salesmanship. They really got a lot of exhibitors to believe in them. A real3d exhibitor is as entrenched in their views as any political issue including abortion.

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Mike Blakesley
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I went with Dolby for one big reason over all: No silver screen requirement. Our auditorium is sort of narrow so the silver might have been OK with 2-D shows, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. Leaving aside the financial issues, after seeing what a silver screen looks like from an "angle" at CinemaCon, I think I made the right choice.

The big thorn in my side regarding Dolby 3-D is their total lack of promotion of their system at the studio level. Their name should have been on every one-sheet, the way it was when Dolby Stereo came out.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Steve Guttag

Financially, all Real-D has to offer is low up-front costs. It is a big loser long-term on the cash.

The same could easily be said for Sony projectors.

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