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Author Topic: Barco Escape Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 03-11-2019 09:27 AM                     quote: Steve Guttag Look up Screen-X They are still clinging to the concept of a side screens but extend it further into the audience. Yes, I've seen some promotional material for it. Isn't it also some Korean invention, like 4DX? It's still just a distracting gimmick in my opinion, but it's somewhat ironic that their solution is more advanced than the idiotic Barco Escape setup. At least, they're not covering the original screen with those ugly side screens and use some edge-blended projection mapping to fill the sides. Also, at least their demonstrations, seem to properly extend the screen. The limited Barco Escape content there was, largely filled those side-panels with some vaguely related garbage.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-11-2019 12:27 PM                        Why do people keep re-inventing Cinerama the wrong way? It would be so easy to do this now with an array of edge-blended video projectors and a giant curved screen (with big red curtains). Combine that with 65mm origination and a high-res scan, and I think that the result would be a pretty impressive format, especially with a high-end sound system. As with all such endeavors, though, there is a chicken-or-egg problem: why would anyone produce content for this sort of system with no place to show it, and why would anyone build a cinema and install special hardware for a format with no content to play. I have no idea how to solve that. Clearly, Barco had no idea, either. Maybe we should just admit that 15/70 Imax is the best available format for which cinemas and content are already available.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-11-2019 05:31 PM                     I am pretty sure they just installed Barco Escape in many of the State Prisons.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-11-2019 09:12 PM                        And remastered some classics for it, e.g. The Great Escape, Papillon, Escape from Alcatraz, 20,000 Years in Sing Sing, I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang...  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 03-12-2019 02:34 PM                     I would rather opt for a special release of Black Mirror: Bandersnatch, where three possible choices are shown in parallel...  |  IP: Logged Bruce Cloutier Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Gibsonia, PA, USA Registered: Aug 2016 posted 03-13-2019 11:57 AM                        I believe the Escape used two JNIORs. I'm not sure how. Oh well...  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 03-13-2019 03:11 PM                     They were able to fold those back-panels back into the side of the walls, so they wouldn't block parts of the main screen during non-Escape shows. Since most theaters would be showing non-Escape content most of the time, I guess they motorized this setup.  |  IP: Logged Tom Bert Expert Film Handler Posts: 134 From: Belgium Registered: Apr 2010 posted 03-13-2019 04:53 PM                     quote: Marcel Birgelen I guess they motorized this setup. That is correct: side screens -slightly- moved inwards over a rail  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 03-14-2019 02:18 PM                     Thanks for that insight. Although I'm somewhat happy this Frankenstein-format didn't make it, it's also somewhat sad. Next time you guys look for a way to sell more projectors, please at least make it awesome. Even though alternative formats usually don't make it, next time, make it more expensive, but better! Please include big curved screens and a big array of seamlessly edge-blended projectors please.  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 03-14-2019 04:45 PM                     When escape premiered at Cinemacon I asked them about a curved screen and they said it did not meet DCI specs if they did. Hence the flat wings.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 03-14-2019 05:59 PM                     Which is a bit of a b.s. argument really, or rather, a simple excuse not to go all-in on it. The Seattle Cinerama is playing all kinds of DCI content. Yes, a whole lot of the screen will only be used by real Cinerama features, but the deeply curved screen doesn't prohibit them to show normal formats. Special releases for such deeply curved screens using multiple projectors might not be DCI compliant, but in order to get everything out of the format, you would need the cooperation of the studios anyway. They care more about their content being protected than just DCI compliancy. IMAX is also showing their own DCPs and is doing some image processing on them. If they can do it, others with sufficient influence and willingness to do so can too.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-15-2019 06:29 AM                     I've found most DCI compliance quotes to be BS. One, there is no DCI police out there. As others have stated, DCI's biggest thing is security of the content. Non-masked screens are not DCI compliant. I've seen nothing prohibiting curved screens, deeply or otherwise. There was a blurb about non-square pixels but that was on origination, not projection and with anamorphic lenses, the only requirement was to have the scaling to not be visible from the audience area so anyone that wants to quote DCI compliance on that, you call call BS on it too. If Barco wanted to do deep curve and make it a proprietary format, contract with a lens manufacturer to custom grind lenses for the deep curve and do it with a single projector and then come up with a set of theatre plans that work with those lenses to achieve a minimal distortion deep curved screen without scaling. That said, I hear now of plans for projector companies to start implementing "warping" type technologies that they have in their pro AV projectors. This is where I think higher projector resolutions could come in handy to allow for such scaling without visible artifacts in the 4K presentation range.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-15-2019 11:54 AM                        quote: Steve Guttag I've found most DCI compliance quotes to be BS. One, there is no DCI police out there. Image scaling is another practice to which this applies. Official DCI guidelines say that you shouldn't do it, but Barco and NEC projectors at least (can't speak for Sony and Christie, as I've never had to do this on either) allow you to scale the image, and that feature is a very useful "get out of trouble" option, e.g. if a projector has been delivered with the wrong lens and you don't want the screen down until the new one arrives.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-15-2019 01:03 PM                     DCI did NOT say you couldn't scale! It said there aren't to be visible artifacts of scaling! The scaling happens in the ICP module of non-Sony projectors so yes, Christie does it as well. The anamorphic factor is on the ICP module, hence they can all do anamorphics. The ICMP, at the moment, doesn't have the anamorphic factor implemented. The reason they went with 1.25 anamorphics instead of 1.26 (closer approximation of 2.39) is to minimize the artifacts.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-15-2019 03:10 PM                        quote: Steve Guttag DCI did NOT say you couldn't scale! It said there aren't to be visible artifacts of scaling! That's so subjective that it's effectively the same thing as no scaling. If you are close enough to the screen, you'll see the artifacts. A little further away from the screen, someone who has 20/20 vision will see visible artifacts that someone with average eyesight will not. Same thing with the Samsung LED panels and the rule that the individual pixels must not be visible closer than a certain distance (can't remember what it is). Some people will see them at that distance, but others won't.  |  IP: Logged

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