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David Buckley
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quote: Leo Enticknap
Interesting that GDC wants the case decided by a jury (final page of complaint). Unless they are able to select a jury consisting of at least some IT and/or a/v technology professionals, I'd have thought that there is a significant risk that jurors wouldn't understand (or at least, fully understand) the evidence they were being given, and therefore make the wrong call.
Often potential jurors who know about stuff are deselected. In the Oracle trial mentioned at the start of the article, the only juror who had an IT background was objected to and removed.

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Harold Hallikainen
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From court records, as of June 7, GDC and Dolby were in settlement discussions and "about to exchange a term sheet reflecting proposed terms." Due to the progress in the settlement talks, the date for Dolby to respond to the GDC complaint has been extended to July 13.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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It is my understand that in the USA, you must consistently enforce your copyright from the beginning, or you lose the ability to enforce it later. For example, I doubt that the various recording labels care that you put a video on youtube showing your child dancing to their music, but they care very much that someone down the road uses that a a precedent that you are not enforcing your copyright so they can use it royalty free in a future commercial work.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this may not reflect the actual law.

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Carsten Kurz
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It's over - and guess who won?

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=4574

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Hong Kong & San Francisco—Nov 1, 2016
GDC and Dolby Resolve Litigation

GDC Technology Limited (“GDC”) and Dolby Laboratories, Inc. (“Dolby”) have reached an agreement to resolve the litigation filed by GDC against Dolby.

As part of the resolution, GDC will dismiss its lawsuit against Dolby, and GDC and Dolby will grant each other licenses that will allow their respective theater management systems to interoperate with the other party’s digital cinema servers. The terms of the settlement agreement are confidential.

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About GDC Technology Limited
GDC Technology Limited (“GDC”) is a digital cinema solutions provider. GDC develops, manufactures and sells media servers, content storage systems, theatre management systems and network operations center software for digital cinema. GDC is a licensee of the DTS:X object-based immersive sound technology from DTS, Inc. for the development of its media servers. In addition, GDC also provides a suite of digital cinema products and services, including integrated projection systems, 3D products, projector lamps and silver screens. GDC’s subsidiary, GDC Digital Cinema Network Limited, manages VPF for approximately 5,000 theater screens and 250 motion picture distributors worldwide. For more information, please visit www.gdc-tech.com.
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As always, the lawyers ...

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Harold Hallikainen
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If interested, you can read the court records at https://mai.hallikainen.org/org/legal/GDCvDolby/ .

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Steve Guttag
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I would interpret that as a GDC win. GDC can now add the Doremi servers to its line up of supported servers for its TMS. That is what GDC wanted and that is what they got. What did Dolby win? The ability to integrate GDC servers on its TMS? Were they really seeking that at the start of this or was that a face saving measure on the presumption that the Doremi TMS is to be expanded to include other servers?

In any event, this is how it should be. Everyone should work with everyone else and let the exhibitors decide what pieces to use from each vendor.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Well, got to hand it to Dolby in every lawsuit I can remember they have had filed against them they managed settled them in litigation and not go to court.

This is a win-win situation for everyone involved.

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Frank Angel
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...especially the exhibitor.
quote: David Buckley
Often potential jurors who know about stuff are deselected. In the Oracle trial mentioned at the start of the article, the only juror who had an IT background was objected to and removed.

If this went to trial and they eliminated tech people, the general population pool, i.e., Joe Remote-control-user will very easily understand the annoying concept incompatibility (he pictures the five remote controls sitting on his coffee table because none are compatible with different manufactures equipment). Now tell him that the plaintiff wants to prevent the company making the universal/learning from workin with their equipment and possibly with others manufactures as well and it's because of copyright infringement issues, and now Mr. consumer/juror pictures even more remote controls on his coffee table. Who do you think he's going to side with, the defendant who wants to vacate the copyright issue so that Joe's universal remote control can work with any number of pieces of equipment, or the plaintiff who wants to stop his universal remote from working?

And let's face it, copyright is not a favorite concept to the public at large and it wouldn't be going out on a limb to say that most of the public would come to court with a negative bias against most copyright issues...most cases copyright is seen as being in an adversarial position with the public, as in Copyright vs. Public Domain. I'm just saying...they were smart to settle. And of course it's all about money any way, which is what Dolby was after in the first place so no doubt the settlement included plenty of money changing hands. Now everyone is happy again.

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Interesting - I don't know if my english is good enough, but it seems that near the end the court was about to dismiss the case to Dolbys advantage. Then they settled?
Or did I get these documents wrong?

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Harold Hallikainen
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I am NOT a lawyer, but I read all the court documents. As I read it, GDC sued Dolby in state court saying Dolby interfered with their business by telling GDC customers that they were not authorized to use Dolby "interoperability codes" (TMS interface). Dolby replied that the "interoperability codes" are copyrighted, and the state court has no jurisdiction in copyright cases and asked for dismissal on that basis. GDC argues the opposite. GDC argues the codes are not copyrightable or, if copyrightable, their use is fair use. GDC argues that they are not seeking relief that a copyright claim would provide. There's a lot more there, but I think it can be summarized as GDC sues in state court claiming business interference. Dolby replies it's a copyright case which the state court cannot address. GDC argues it is not a copyright case, so the state court can address the issues. In the end, the sides settle, granting each other licenses to allow their TMSs to operate with the servers of the other.

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Sam D. Chavez
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quote: Frank Angel
And of course it's all about money any way, which is what Dolby was after in the first place so no doubt the settlement included plenty of money changing hands. Now everyone is happy again.

I would not assume Dolby is in it for short term money. It's always been about IP.
GDC doesn't have the kind of money Dolby would work that hard for.

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Leo Enticknap
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Add another "I am not a lawyer" (or a Constitutional scholar!) disclaimer, but I think I can guess why Dolby wanted to drag this into the realm of intellectual property, but GDC wanted to pursue this under the heading of business interference. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution is very clear that everything to do with IP law is federal (specifically, the responsibility of Congress), and there is no mention of it whatsoever in the states' rights provisions of the Constitution. Given that an assload of both statute and case law has already established that program code is copyrightable, GDC's case would presumably have been stillborn if it had been taken to a federal court and argued as a copyright issue.

I guess GDC believed that they had a solid case under the laws of California dealing with business interference. In any case, they seem to have achieved their aim, which is to be able to carry on integrating the automated operation of their products with Dolby's - in California, at least!

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Oracle America, Inc. v. Google, Inc.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Does DCI also have say over how people's TMS's integrate with servers? If so then this may have been the cause for the lawsuit in the first place. If DCI stipulates inter-operability of any server on any TMS then I can see why all this happened. And in fact most TMS systems do accommodate all other servers.

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Harold Hallikainen
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I do not believe DCI addresses equipment interoperability other than the requirement that audio outputs be AES3. For example, at http://dcimovies.com/specification/DCI_DCSS_v12_with_errata_2012-1010.pdf#page=112 regarding intratheater messages, it says " Transactions need not be standardized. In assembling ransactions, the sequences of RRPs used may vary according to the equipment vendor or facility configuration." A standard would be nice, but we don't have one yet. As such, TMS vendors have to write interfaces to each server. While server manufacturers want support from every TMS vendor, in this case we have one supplier providing both the server and the TMS and did not want a particular TMS vendor to connect to their server, potentially locking in existing server customers to their TMS. It would be nice if a widely deployed interface were made open so everyone could write their code to the same thing. At this point, it would probably be an interface defined by one of the server manufacturers that all the TMS vendors have implemented. Server companies could implement this and have instant TMS compatibility. It would eliminate a lot of work for TMS vendors. But, are any of the server companies that have wide TMS support willing to freely license their interface? Then, are other server companies willing to adopt it?

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