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Author Topic: New Closed Captioning and Audio Description Rules Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-23-2016 02:11 PM                        I can confirm that HI and CC are nearly universal from the major studios and art houses. The narration track seems to be universal from the major studios, but can be hit and miss from the minors. Wienstein seems to be the biggest culprit from the common art houses to not include the VIN track.  |  IP: Logged Leslie Hartmier Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jul 2012 posted 11-23-2016 02:54 PM                     Frank, in Canada, it is the responsibility of the province to determine such things, it seems. In Ontario, it is necessary to maintain HI/VI for all possible shows at all possible times, and has been for years. In Alberta, it is not strictly necessary, although I suspect it will be one day reasonably soon, in part because of the ADA thing. One 'funny' anecdote about that is that one of our locations in Alberta had the entire HI/VI system removed for installation at a location in Ontario because in years, not one person requested it at the Alberta location. NOT. ONE. The day after I shipped the hardware out to Ontario, I get this (WARNING: SARCASM) gentle, respectful call from the Alberta location, mentioning how fine it would be were I to reinstall said devices for finally, one person had requested HI/VI. The mutually kind dialogue I had with my location-based co-worker was, sadly, not to end with the system being re-installed. My co-worker is, shall we say, a fairly forthright individual, and felt no restraint to informing me of her considerations of what I might do with myself as regards self-intimacy for quite some time. Ahh, the good times. Leslie  |  IP: Logged Bob Ezra Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Carbondale, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-23-2016 06:35 PM                     Harold Would the IRC-28C IR emitter work from inside the booth, through 1/4" plate glass, into a room 25'x 70' with 125 seats? Thanks  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-23-2016 06:52 PM                        Bob, I can tell you that you would likely lose coverage to the back couple rows. You might also have issues with reaching the full width of the auditorium. We have our transmitters in the auditorium, and we still have a a few seats that have trouble getting a signal. You have to remember the IR is line of sight.  |  IP: Logged Leslie Hartmier Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jul 2012 posted 11-23-2016 07:24 PM                     Same with us. Line of sight is very important it seems, and we did try messing with the IRC-28C from inside a booth, and even in a direct line, the glass really did a number on the signal.  |  IP: Logged Harold Hallikainen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 906 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-23-2016 10:49 PM                        Sending the IR through a booth window works in smaller auditoriums. It does make installation simpler. But, just as you see a lot of reflected projector light in the booth, a lot of the IR is reflected by the glass instead of being transmitted through it. For best coverage (and relative ease of installation), we suggest the panel go on the rear wall of the auditorium near the port window. The IR panel should be "aimed" at the screen. The IR reflects off the screen and covers the entire auditorium. My initial tests were at the Fremont Theater ( https://www.kcet.org/shows/artbound/the-many-lives-of-the-fremont-theater ). The theater has about 800 seats and is about 125 feet from the rear wall to the screen. Every seat receives HI/VI audio plus closed captions. I have had challenges working with theaters with balconies. With the emitter near the port window, it's really hard to get coverage under the balcony. I ended up having the panel installed at the side of the screen and aiming it for the opposite (diagonal) corner of the auditorium. Harold  |  IP: Logged Leslie Hartmier Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jul 2012 posted 11-24-2016 05:03 PM                     Addendum to my statement of who has to do what - all new builds must have complete HI/VI availability. That is a federal requirement. However, all provinces have the option to be more aggressive with their requirements. The federal government simply set the minimum acceptable requirements. Additionally, if there is cause, and a consistent request for it, all provinces require the location to comply with HI/VI support. So, if you build a new theatre? Gotta have it. Someone needs it, asks for it, and you don't have it? Gotta put it in. No one asks, and you've not built the theatre since the law came into being? Depends on the province. Ontario requires that HI/VI be available and working at all times, for example. Now I know.  |  IP: Logged Bob Ezra Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Carbondale, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-26-2016 11:47 AM                     Harold What are the weight and dimensions of the IRC 28? Are there any diagrams showing mounting bracket? I looked but could not find... Thanks  |  IP: Logged Harold Hallikainen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 906 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-26-2016 11:53 AM                        I'll have to go into the office to check the weight of the IRC-28C. There are some drawings of the mounting brackets at http://ftp.uslinc.com/ftp/Products/IRC-28/Documents/UPC-28C%20%26%20CD%20pkg.pdf . Thanks! Harold  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 11-26-2016 01:29 PM                       IRC 28 weighs about 3 pounds. I have one in the shop I just checked. There are a couple of ways to mount it. Very easy. Running the wires is the hardest part and even that is reasonable depending on local conditions.  |  IP: Logged Bob Ezra Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Carbondale, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-26-2016 03:26 PM                     thanks Sam  |  IP: Logged Jason Metcalfe Expert Film Handler Posts: 134 From: Austin, TX, U.S. Registered: May 2010 posted 11-27-2016 11:13 PM                     Is there a previous ruling on the number of amplified HI headsets required, separate from the descriptive audio headsets?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-28-2016 06:57 AM                     Yes, HI headsets are supposed to be 4% of seat count. Because that missed the mark so horrendously (way over estimated the needed amount), this time around theatres showed that seat-count isn't such a good guide to actual usage. So they went with screen count. However, from what I can tell, this new DOJ ruling has zero effect on the previous requirements.  |  IP: Logged Harold Hallikainen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 906 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-28-2016 08:10 AM                        I agree. No change in the assistive listening requirement. The actual number of receivers is listed at https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAStandards_prt.pdf#page=81 . ALS requirements are at https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAStandards_prt.pdf#page=201 . Harold  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-28-2016 09:21 AM                     Thanks for that Harold. I see that over 500 seats (within a complex) the requirement drops some but still absurdly high.  |  IP: Logged

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