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Randy Stankey
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quote: Leo Enticknap
probably around 80% of the movies shown in mainstream British cinemas are from Hollywood, British audiences grow up hearing US English dialect and accents, and quickly get used to them.
quote: Steve Guttag
Oh...I dunno the US accents can get very thick and change pretty heavily with a relatively short drive. The "southern accent" is not one unified one, by any stretch. A Tennessee accent is much thicker than a Carolina one and Mississippi is dramatically different too and within a state it can vary quite a bit. In the New England area again there isn't a unified accent either.
Points taken and agreed. However, the point I was making is that in a cinema where mainly art/foreign/independent films are shown, you have a more common occurrence of dialogue with accents and dialects that the audience might or might not be familiar with.

Even though you have to have good dialogue intelligibility in all cinemas, an art house should pay even more attention to it.

Some of you guys are familiar with the crazy conditions (management) that I used to work under and the things I used to go through just to get a movie to look and sound right. Through all of those troubled times, one theme stood out... Dialogue.

It was partly because of the design of the house and the management's unwillingness to spend the money that was necessary to do things right. It was partly because of the content and it was partly due to the demographics of the audience. (Senior citizens.)

I certainly hope Andy's job isn't as crazy as mine was but I do advise that, when designing a new sound system, good dialogue should be at or near the top of his list of priorities.

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Randy Stankey
It was partly because of the content and it was partly due to the demographics of the audience. (Senior citizens.)
Yup, if you're doing Art, your demo is old people. Really good mono will be more appreciated then really good stereo. Stereo is going to be for those shows that bring in the kids (under 40 these days).

And to Leo's point, even with the BBC/Masterpiece Theatre accents, they are still going to want subtitles. Pretty much every Ken Loach movie should have subtitles [Wink]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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No one around here is installing AURO, The closest I believe is 5 hours away in Boise...

Mark

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Andy Frodsham
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I don't think we will be installing anything more ambitious than 7.1 for the foreseeable future, so I think more elaborate audio processors may be out of the question.

I personally favour staying with the DCA amp line. we don't really have any need to site any amps remotely and the practicalities of doing so in this dual usage location (lecture theatre and cinema) might prove difficult.

Additionally, I like the idea of being able to re-route any amps physically rather than delving into various menus and submenus on a laptop.

For those that asked, are current gear (apart from the CP750) comprises: a Dolby DSS220 server with Dolby IMB 745 and Barco DP2K-12C projector. Are amps (all DCA 1622's) feed a mix of second hand screen speakers and new JBL Control 20 surrounds!

We generally play our sound at 4.1 to 4.4. A setting of 3.8 for Indian films is usually more than adequate!

Annli, yes we did indeed screen BAAHUBALI 2! Didn't seem particularly louder than any other Indian productions, but, as usual, I was aware that our old loudspeakers were complaining!

Very many thanks, as ever, for all your replies.

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Carsten Kurz
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quote: Andy Frodsham
a Dolby DSS220 server with Dolby IMB 745 and Barco DP2K-12C projector.
Allright, in that case you have twin HDMI inputs and HDMI->AES audio passthrough. That may be enough to skip the idea of switching to an AP20 for alternative content needs.

- Carsten

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Marco Giustini
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I am not familiar with the Control 20 - only Control one and 25, the latter being massively unlinear and require buckets of EQ.

Are the Control 20 ceiling speakers?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Some of the Control series is near field for use on the back of a mixing desk, so you have to be careful.

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Andy Frodsham
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My mistake Marco! Our JBL surrounds are indeed Control 25s and despite the small size are not actually the worst part of our system!

They are wall mounted type devices.

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