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Dave Macaulay
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 - posted 06-15-2017 07:33 AM      Profile for Dave Macaulay   Email Dave Macaulay   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What is your test pattern? Is it a .png file loaded to the ICP, or is it played from a DCP or via an alt content input?
The ICP patterns do not involve the media block, so it does matter.
Dithering is a possibility but it should not be "lumpy" like in the images.
Is the noise static or dynamic?

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Joachim Heden
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 - posted 06-15-2017 08:49 AM      Profile for Joachim Heden   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dave,

For the purpose of the benchmark test in the video link, both projectors were playing the test pattern from a DCP.

On our projector (the bad one) we have also tried the .png into ICP, and external scource (davinci resolve via SDI) -- it all looks exactly like the DCP. No difference.

Also -- all standard internal test patterns of the projector that include dark grays exhibit the same noise/jitter.

J

EDIT:

To answer your other question: The noise is dynamic in every sense --it's constantly moving and on a micro level it appears to be 100% random (and do not appear to be at "pixel level/size). Stepping back to more of a macro level there appears to be some "periodic" element in the spatial character of the noise -- however, that character changes (quite drastically) with the tiniest adjustment to the brightness.

Also, projecting pure black gives us no noise -- zero -- but as soon as we go the tiniest amount over pure black, the noise "switches" on.

J

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Marco Giustini
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 - posted 06-15-2017 01:40 PM      Profile for Marco Giustini   Email Marco Giustini   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
you seem to have covered all the bases to be honest. Make sure the SW version is the same between the two machines.

Also remember that applying a full-clone will not wipe the existing configuration, hence you will end up with both machines' macros, lens files etc. Sure, your macro selector will only have the macros from the cloned machine. I just don't like the mess that usually comes out from the cloning process, I usually first wipe all the configuration files and then apply the clone - but this is me of course!

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Magnus Eriksson
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 - posted 06-16-2017 08:10 AM      Profile for Magnus Eriksson   Email Magnus Eriksson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was thinking this morning (that happens occasionally):
This "bad" 12C, it has been running with ICMP (two different individuals) all the time, right? The good projector you compared with has a "normal" ICP if I remember correctly.
Has the bad 12C ever been tested with a standard ICP? If not it could be worth a try.
/M.E.

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Tia Marklund
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 - posted 06-18-2017 09:16 AM      Profile for Tia Marklund   Email Tia Marklund   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Joakim!
"The only thing that is "unusual" about our setup is that the screen is very small, only 4,20m wide (this projector is being used in a post production environment) so we are running it with an 800w lamp dimmed all the way down..."

When raising the light output, did you try another lamp? For some reason USHIO withdrew the 800W and replaced it with a 900W. Probably not the root cause, though...

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 06-18-2017 11:09 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The DXL-9BAF is actually an 850-watt lamp.

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