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Carsten Kurz
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Marcel, the PI does not necessarily need a fast data connection. This is an IMS. You could think of the PI as a touch panel controller. As on a Barco or Christie, they don't need any direct contact with the DCP data. That can be dealt with by other (sub)systems.

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Marcel Birgelen
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Carsten, that's true if it just runs the IMS part, but Tom indicates that it serves as a storage "frontend" for both internal flash storage and remote storage. If that is true, it will need to transport a considerable amount of data. If it is indeed just the IMS and doesn't do the heavy lifting, a RasPi should be sufficient.

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Dennis Benjamin
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quote: Carsten Kurz
You could think of the PI as a touch panel controller
This makes the most sense in regards to what it's being used for.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Marcel Birgelen
but Tom indicates that it serves as a storage "frontend" for both internal flash storage and remote storage. If that is true, it will need to transport a considerable amount of data.
That's not even how the SX-3000 operates. There is a separate storage controller processor that does all that. It's gonna be eSATA or gigabit or faster ethernet for the incoming data.

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Dave Macaulay
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What does this matter? If it works, and it seems to, great. Design decisions are both technical and economic. Why design and qualify a processor subsystem if an off-the-shelf one will do the job?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Exactly Dave... Even the SX-3000 CPU board is an off the shelf item. It is not doing any of the actual signal handling anyways.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Dave Macaulay
Why design and qualify a processor subsystem if an off-the-shelf one will do the job?
And furthermore, if the off-the-shelf component has been manufactured in larger quantities and for a greater range of applications than something as specialized as an IMB (for which a few thousand of each model will have been made at most), that potentially extends the service life of the product it's being used as part of: there will be a better chance of being able to obtain a replacement if it fails after the product it's integrated into is no longer officially supported by the manufacturer.

A recent example I encountered is the power supply units in DSS100s - they're a standard issue Supermicro server slide-in PSU, still used in datacenters everywhere and thus easily available from several vendors.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Leo Enticknap
A recent example I encountered is the power supply units in DSS100s - they're a standard issue Supermicro server slide-in PSU, still used in datacenters everywhere and thus easily available from several vendors.
Actually, All of Dolbly's servers are customized Super Micro equipment. The fan noise speaks for itself [Roll Eyes] . IMagine if Dell had made them for Dolbly how quiet today's booths would be.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Marcel... Speaking of DTS... I had an interesting encounter today in a DTS 6D. I serviced lots and lots of these but never saw one like this. Must have been a way to rebuild units that had failed motherboards. Years back this player has been sent to Computer Spirit which was one of the DTS sub contractors. It has a buss style motherboard and a small industrial 386 equivalent plug on processor board. The Ali chip is a 40 mhz 386 and the board has 4 gb of ram. Its evident that in doing this DTS still wanted to be able to offer repair on these units down the road so they didn't become obsolete. There are various small Chinese industrial computers that would fit in this spot. This had to be the last of the mods DTS provided for the 6D.

Also, The Benchmarq BQ3287 is a lithium backed RTC. Although it likely has a very long life, but its still going to die and crash eventually. 10 to 15 years is typical for these in other equipment I've worked on.

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Marcel Birgelen
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Interesting find. I guess DTS never got their software to run on more recent Intel compatible CPUs, so that's why they resorted to some exotic Intel 386 compatible chipsets. Else, you'd indeed expect them to use off-the-shelf Intel compatibles, of which there is an almost endless supply.

It's probably one of those cases were the original software developers are long gone and nobody dares to touch the original code. Or even worse, where the original code is gone and all that's left is a binary runtime.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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This was a 6D that had been sent back and upgraded by them, obviously long after they ran out of the original 386 motherboards. This one is still running on DOS.

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Gordon McLeod
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All 6d ran dos
either from a Rom dos card or embedded

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