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Carsten Kurz
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quote: Thomas Baham
Where or who do I contact to try to get digital content sent to me via satellite, or Internet. I know there is a service, just don't know where to look
https://www.dcdcdistribution.com

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Thomas Baham
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Thank you

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Carsten Kurz
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Go with the IMS2000. You probably dispose of the Christie IMB-S2 because it was unreliable. Don't settle on another brand new IMS like the SR-1000 which obviously has a lot of teething troubles.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I would not install a new IMB or server that relies on hard drives any longer. The SR-1000 does not use any hard drives and thats a huge advantage. It also touts a 100,000 hour MTBF, which is quite a bit better then the last crop of everyones servers.

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Steve Guttag
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Mark: <essentially always says he will put in whatever GDC and NEC makes, at the moment>

IMS2000: 1TB drives: spinning HDD, 2TB drives: SSD (if they are spinning, something has gone very wrong!)

SR-1000: Stand alone mode, mates up with an Enterprise storage (no plus...yet) so 3.5" spinning HDD (haven't seen any GDC approved SSDs for this yet). If in a multiplex or I suppose you could put in a TMS for a single, one could add in the streaming TMS to avoid the bad old HDD that generally get 5-6 years of good cheap service and rely on cache storage (1TB) and streaming...with system of what? Less than a year of field proven technology?

100,000 Hour MTBF. So this number came out based on how many units in the field that went that long? Oh, none; right.

I'm really NOT trying to pick on the SR1000. It is the new kid on the block and will have to earn its street cred like every other product. I have high hopes for it and wish GDC the best of luck with it. I even plan to put a few in later this year.

But right now, the IMS2000 can already boast its reliability. It works day in and day out. It even works reliability with spinning HDD (shocker)!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Well, Seagate through corporate manipulation is about to take over Western Digital. Have fun with all your future spinning drive failures boys!

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Steve Guttag
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I'm reasonably sure that the new streaming TMS server from GDC uses spinning discs too. I haven't seen anything about Seagate taking over Western Digital.

The spinning disc market is a declining one, for sure as larger and larger drives come out the need for as many declines and certainly the SSD market is increasing.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Yes, their central server does use spinning disks, but the SR-1000 has it's own cache memory for storage and connects to your TMS just like their other servers do. You still have the option of an external PSD-3000 or Central server though if you need the space.

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Steve Guttag
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In a Central TMS situation, the SR1000 plays (streams) off of the spinning discs of the central server, not its cache memory. It only moves to cache memory if the TMS disconnects.

Local storage via Enterprise storage is an option but it is just that, an option.

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Greg Routenburg
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For what it's worth, if you install the new GDC central server, there is A LOT of redundancy in it's RAID. If properly managed, you'd need a small hand grenade to go off inside to take out enough drives to affect playback. Between that and the CineCache, it's a pretty robust design, at least in theory.

I also have no first hand experience with the SR-1000 but I recall the 2000AR when it first dropped and it took GDC nearly a year in the field to get the software bugs settled down. It's still not perfect but I'd say about 98% reliable in my installations.

As for whether you wanna go Dolby VS GDC, it really depends on how much you want to drop on the outset. I like that the Dolby comes fully functional with no additional licenses to purchase for added features. It does come with a much heftier price tag though. If you continue to maintain the GDC hardware warranty, which in my opinion is an absolute must, you pay for the server in the long run anyways but at least it's spread out a little to soften the initial blow.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Agreed on the GDC warranty. One media block failure and that warranty has paid itself back many times over. Plus GDC's support is second to none. I was always surprised that Dolby never offered any sort of similar warranty... They kind of dropped the ball there.But then they kind of permanently dropped the ball anyways.

As for satellite... It's DCDC for that service. They supply the equipment and installation and you end up with a catch server to store content on. It is less expensive than UPS and FED-EX delivery of hard drives.

Mike....

https://www.dcdcdistribution.com/

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Steve Guttag
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The IMS2000 and the SR1000 when equipped with equivalent storage are priced about the same. The SR1000 starts to become cheaper as you depend more on the central storage since you don't have to keep buying local storage.

As for warranty. Dolby has always offered extended warranty but only out to 5-years. Then again, repairing the CAT862 and CAT745 were relatively cheap (Far cheaper than the GDC hardware warranty) and needed FAR less frequently.

I have little to no problem with Dolby's support. They've always gotten back to me in a reasonable amount of time and, honestly, I don't have that many problems. And, with respect to the IMS2000...the only problem I've had has been a Doremi thing where their Ethernet commands are less than reliable without the wait cue.

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Alan Gouger
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GDC announced HDMI 2.0 a year ago, did this ever materialize?
The latest generation Barco, QSC and Dolby have delivered on this.
Will this be on the roadmap for the SR-1000 IMB?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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The SR-1000 is all USB 3.0. The SX-3000 is somewhere in between USB 2.0 and 3.0.

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Steve Guttag
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Pssst...he asked about HDMI not USB.

And yes, the SR1000 has HDMI 2.0. At present, it doesn't do 4K output of ANYTHING but that is on the roadmap (I'm reasonably sure). Currently, the only 4K server they have is the SX4000. It wouldn't surprise me if at CinemaCon that they announce it having 4K or that it will be available shortly.

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