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Michael Barry
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 584
From: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 08-13-2002 12:27 PM      Profile for Michael Barry   Email Michael Barry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know about this one. My favourite Shymalan movie is 'Unbreakable', because it avoided sentimentality. 'Sixth Sense' and 'Signs' are both very sentimental pictures; in other words, I sense that the emotion portrayed onscreen is full of platitudes and isn't genuine...it feels forced and manipulative to me. That's when I switch off, because I can't be sold on false emotion.

I am not usually a good judge of acting, but this is the first movie I've seen in a while in which the acting and scriptwriting (dialogue) seemed wooden to me in a bad 1950's sci-fi kind of way. Think 'Plan Nine From Outer Space'. To me, there were moments that were that bad.

The advantages of the movie, on the other hand, were the tension and suspense that were created. Shymalan has a knack for knowing where to place the camera and to make effective use of as little as possible. A lack of sound, a lack of light, a lack of props and especially a lack of special effects. He's good at getting back to the basics of what makes effective filmmaking.

The part where the house was being boarded up followed by the retreat to the basement reminded me strongly of 'Night of the Living Dead'. When the kid was suffering from the asthma attack in the basement, then it was 'Panic Room' all over again. The area in which I have a preference for films like 'Night of the Living Dead' over a film like 'Signs' is that it too knows how to create suspense but it dispenses with the 'character development' and 'backstory' schtick which, like I said earlier, should be dispensed with as far as I'm concerned because that stuff never rings true for me anyway. I think of those techniques as a cookie-cutter method of creating 'depth'.

Major studio release are generally very, very bad at portraying emotional stuff that rings true for me which is why it's best left out. European films and independent American films are far better in this regard and I will turn to them if I am in the mood for a serious drama. This 'crossover' stuff where you have movies that want both bites of the cherry end up compromising BOTH aspects in the pursuit of a movie which 'has it all'.

Does anyone remember that 'A Stir of Echoes' was ignored at the box office in favour of 'The Sixth Sense' way back when? I much, much prefer ASOE because it chose to get on efficiently with the job of scaring us and didn't get bogged down with wanting to put lumps in our throats. If I want emotion I'll go rent an Ingmar Bergman film, since he does it better than anyone else. If I want to be scared I will turn to David Koepp or George Romero or John Carpenter or Dario Argento. Don't like this middle of the road stuff.


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Greg Mueller
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From: Port Gamble, WA
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 - posted 08-19-2002 10:08 AM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I like this movie. The more I think about it the more I like it. Nice tension building. What I found the most enjoyable is that I felt like the people in the movie. That is, I couldn't believe it was happening to me, and everytime the invasion progressed a bit, I was surprised. If I had to find fault I would say that the tie between the alien part and the lost faith part was a tad weak. On the other hand I liked the insight into the idea of "giving faith" in the discussion between the two brothers.
Gee, isn't it amazing what a good story and good directing will do for a movie. Just goes to show that a movie can be good without a ton of CGI
Go see it

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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 08-19-2002 03:06 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok now I have seen this film as of last night. I liked it, BUT...

Film was very grainy, large distraction.

***WARNING>>> SPOILERS AHEAD***

I know, I hate spoilers in a review, but this is needed...

As an agnostic, I found it a very good thought provoking excercise in philosophical thought. What I did not like about this movie is its sudden end when the aliens just up and leave in the night without us getting the benefit of the experience. yeah I know its an artistic choice, and M Night wanted to make a more spiritual movie than a sci fi movie, but he made a sci fi movie and the ending was weak and weak and weak.

The choice of soundtrack for the ending when they beat the alien to death was more like a grandiose victory march, rather than a nice bone chilling score, like the rest of the movie had. This was very dissapointing and left me going... Hmmm... thats interesting.

As a result, I have no plans to ever see this movie again. Really. The ending is so crucial, and the way it was done was just whimpy and weak, almost a cop out to avoid looking too much like a sci fi movie.

Thats not to say the element of what he used as far as spirituality goes was bad, HOWEVER...

Choice of music. So crucial. A different score would have really pumped up the emotional aspect of the end and really taken us for a great heart jolting and tear jerking ending. Instead it left me wondering why I let someone pay to bring me to this film. Yeah I got three good spine tinglers, but that was it.

I give it two out of four stars, or one thumb up and the other one somewhere else. Not in my ass, but off doing other things.

Dave

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Dennis Atkinson
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 - posted 08-24-2002 08:40 AM      Profile for Dennis Atkinson   Author's Homepage   Email Dennis Atkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Two lines from Roger Eberts positive review.
1. There is as little plot as possible
2. At the end of the film, I had to smile, recognizing how Shyamalan has essentially ditched a payoff

The above is exactly what I thought was wrong with the movie and why I do not ever have to see it again.

Dennis

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Paul Linfesty
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 - posted 09-02-2002 08:13 PM      Profile for Paul Linfesty   Email Paul Linfesty   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to say I was fairly disappointed in this movie. In some ways I admired it. But it was essentially a small-scale movie disguised in a big package. A sense of reverential self-importance gave it a self-worth the story didn't deserve. On the other hand, it's the first movie I think I've seen where several "coincidences" became a major plot point in terms of their existence and the film's denounement. But while I believe Sci-Fi and religion can co-exist in a film, it still raises some unanswered questions. The conclusions drawn by Gibson's character aren't necessarily the ones someone else would arrive at, based on this film's evidence. And usually, ambiguity works for me in a movie, but not, for some reason, here.

I found the 6.1 channel mix to be highly effective in this film, especially in the basement scene. It was one of the best I've heard. The cinematogrpahy was dark, but worked well in the DLP presentation I saw at Mann's Grauman's Chinese Theatre in Hollywood. Black levels are still a problem in the system, but only barely. The clearity of the rest of the image was luminous in quality. Very little grain of the film master showed with beautiful film-like images. Excellent.

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Michael Brown
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From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001


 - posted 09-24-2002 05:06 PM      Profile for Michael Brown   Email Michael Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Spoilers


Cineworld Bradford Deluxe Screen 12/09/02 6:20pm
Flat, SRD-EX (I'm assuming they remembered to turn the EX on)

Soft Focus. The 'Road to Perdition' Trailer was the worst for focus and no text ever looked right on screen.

After the adverts/trailers I saw about a second of the BBFC cert. Every thing went black. The masking opened to scope (I’m thinking –“Hmm I thought this was a flat film”). Then I saw the remainder of the BBFC tag incorrectly stretched to Scope. At that point the projectionist must have realised that this was in fact at flat film. The lens turret went back to flat for the opening sequence of the film. The masking was eventually pulled back in to flat. But it took a couple of tries. The masking didn’t seem in good heath. It made a loud squeaking sound.

So On with the film. First point. It seemed to be one of those films that looked as if I had walked in after it hade been on for 20 minutes. It went into the story far too early for me. I hated the first appearance of the alien (rooftop). It seemed to say ‘This film is going to be about FX” too early. Which is a misconception as it’s not an FX driven film. I liked the second alien appearance. And I like the fact that Aliens were attacking the world and we weren’t seeing it happen . The ending. I wanted to aliens to end up being good. Yes I wanted the big finale alien to be curing Culkin of his asthma in an E.T kind of way. Not ending up being battered to death.

I'm getting my student lone by the end of the week, so I may make a trip to Manchester to see this in DLP next week.


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Michael Schaffer
"Where is the
Boardwalk Hotel?"

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 - posted 09-28-2002 10:07 AM      Profile for Michael Schaffer   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Schaffer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul wrote: A sense of reverential self-importance gave it a self-worth the story didn't deserve. That is very well put. To me, this movie is just a big pile of pretentious crap. Mr Shyamalan tries so hard to make it mysterious and fascinating, with that nervewrecking pseudo-mystic music doodling in the background all the time. But the story itself, with its shallow reflections on destiny and coincidence is really bad. Since I see so many movies, I am usually quite indifferent when I don`t like one. This, however made me almost throw up.
Aliens come all the way from outer space and then they can`t figure out how doors work?
Michael

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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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 - posted 10-02-2002 11:21 PM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Too slow and far too much talking. Forced character development. Mel Gibson's performance got in the way of itself. Like the script, he's trying too hard.

Overhyped and, ultimately, pointless.

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Michael Schaffer
"Where is the
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 - posted 10-02-2002 11:34 PM      Profile for Michael Schaffer   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Schaffer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The end could have been saved if Phoenix had used a light saber to slaughter the alien Which, by the way, looked horribly crappy. Yes I know, Mr M (what does the M stand for? Maximus? Is Night the second first name or the first last name? Why doesn`t he simply spell his name out?) tried to induce a classic element by referring to 50s alien movies as well as to Hitchcock bla bla bla
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Manny Knowles
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 - posted 10-03-2002 09:17 AM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's a sophomoric attempt at a "character piece" masquerading as a summer blockbuster. Don't sell me on sci-fi and then give me a bastardization of PBS "Great Performances."


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