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I had never bothered to find out what Mormons actually believed in, so I was quite amazed at how.. shall we say, "strange" their story is...

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Having noted that,after watching and listening to it constantly for 2 weeks I haven't noted any anti-semetic tendencies in myself ,but have felt the need to go out and find an Italian to kick fair up the bum.Think about it!!

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Well then fly on over and give it a shot! This italian is in the mood for a fight, considering that modern day italians had as much to do with the crucifixion of christ as the modern day jews. I will let the italian-american anti-defamation leauge know your on your way.

Very few movies have ever been so powerfully moving for me. I saw this about a month ago. I will go see it again. the last movie that moved me this much to tears was Idle Hands, and that was only because I had wasted an hour and a half of my life that I couldn't get back again. This time it was that I only paid so much money to see it and that was my sacrifice. In comparison I felt somewhat cheap. I was truly moved by the experience, as I cannot even call it a movie.

Ciao

Dave

posted 04-04-2004 10:59 AM                      

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The bones & tissue of the palm will not support the weight being placed on them in the process of crucifixion, the hands would tear ferociously

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it undermined the acceptable form of control used to herd the masses like cattle - religion.
...I'm pagan

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posted 04-04-2004 12:02 PM                    

• Contrary to what is specifically stated (subtitled) in the film, the priests of the temple did not need outside permission to put heretics to death, and they regularly did so when the need arose. The only time local authorities within the Roman empire need permission was when the person in question was a citizen of Rome, clearly not the case here.
• In both Jewish and Roman historical records, Pontius Pilate (sp?) was a cruel and ruthless military overlord, not the troubled and weak person portrayed in the film.
• While Barabas was a murder and a thief, he was also the leader of an armed rebellion against the Roman occupation and a very charismac figure. He had a huge following at the time, and his followers far outnumbered Jesus's when it came time to pardon prisoners. The decision to make the crowds pick the prisoner to be pardoned was not done in an attempt by the Roman's to wash their hands of the situation as portrayed in the film, but an annual event that had been going on for many years.
• There were no earthquakes in Jerusalem or damage to the temple around the time that Jesus died. The Romans kept very good records. In fact, the temple was not destroyed until many centuries later as a result of an Arab invasion that also resulted in the expulsion of the Jewish people from their homeland.

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(AP) Hanan Nsour, a veiled, 21-year-old Muslim in Jordan, came out of "The Passion of the Christ" in tears and pronounced her verdict: Mel Gibson's crucifixion epic "unmasked the Jews' lies and I hope that everybody, everywhere, turns against the Jews."

The Quran, though, says Jesus's crucifixion never happened.

Such are the contradictions that are welling up as the Arab world deals with "The Passion," even as the film draws large audiences in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and other Arab countries that have approved it for screening.

In the Arab world, openly voiced anti-Semitism — and by extension the warm reception for "The Passion" — is bound up in the Arab conflict with Israel. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, after watching the film at his compound in the West Bank, was quoted by an aide as likening Jesus' suffering to the Palestinians'.

When the 1998 animated movie "Prince of Egypt" reached Cairo, censors banned it. One reason given: Islam reveres Moses as a prophet, and many Muslims recoil at seeing their prophets portrayed as flesh-and-blood characters.

Jesus is also a prophet to the Muslims, yet "The Passion" was OK'd by Egypt's censors with no changes. They have not explained why "The Passion" was allowed.

Governments and Islamic clerics are also sending mixed signals.

Kuwait bans any movies depicting any of the prophets recognized by Islam, but one of its top Shiite clerics, Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Mehri, has urged an exception for "The Passion" because it "reveals crimes committed by Jews against Christ." The government has not yet made a decision on his call.

The dean of Kuwait University's Islamic Law College, Mohammed al-Tabtabai, has ordered Muslims to shun "The Passion" on the grounds that Jesus is a prophet.

In Jordan, a leader of the hard-line Islamic Action Front says Muslims should read the Quran or pray instead of watching movies, but he doesn't mind "The Passion" being screened in his country.

"The Jews are the most upset with the movie because it reveals their crimes against the prophets, the reformers and whoever contradicts their opinions," Hamza Mansoor said.

And in Egypt, the head of a department at Al-Azhar University that often advises the censors on these matters also is taking a hands-off approach.

"My understanding is that it is about the last 12 hours in the life of the Christ, which involve Christians and Jews. Muslims have nothing to do with that," said Sheik Abdel Zaher Mohammed Abdel-Razeq.

The Quran, Islam's holy book, is unequivocal in sura (chapter) 4, verse 157: "They said 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah' — but they killed him not, nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubts with no knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."

Muslims believe another man was crucified in Jesus's place.

Many in the West accuse director Gibson of reviving the Jews-killed-Christ claim that has stoked anti-Semitism through the ages.

"The Passion" is also being welcomed by the Middle East's Christian communities. Some Egyptian churches and Christian bookshops were selling pirated versions of "The Passion" for less than a dollar even before the film opened here.

In the United Arab Emirates, a Gulf News editorial extolled the film for being "so close to the human condition in its depiction of betrayal, greed, falsehood, forgiveness and love. As Pope John Paul II has put it, `It is as it was!"'

The Vatican denies the pope ever endorsed the movie with those words, and kept out of the controversy. But Cardinal Nasrallah Sfeir, head of the Maronite church in Lebanon, waded right in.

"It is not exaggerated and portrays reality as it is. It is a very sad film and we did not feel there was any anti-Semitism there," Sfeir told reporters after watching the film at a private screening.

Part of the film is spoken in Aramaic, an ancient language still spoken by a small minority in Syria.

Salim Abraham, 37, a Christian journalist who speaks fluent Aramaic, said: "I was so very happy to see my language, for the first time ever, being spoken on the big screen and in such a powerful movie."

"I think there is nothing anti-Semitic in it," Abraham added. "It gives the facts as they are, though they may be slightly exaggerated in some instances."

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