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Author Topic: Starsky & Hutch Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-18-2004 01:56 PM                        It was a moment of very dark humor that did seem rather displaced in this movie, which was more lighthearted in nature. Personally as I know that the ASPCA verifies that no harming of animals ever takes place in these movies, I did not take such personal offence to the depiction, feeling that most normal people would not go and try to recreate this for fun. As for cruelty to animals in general, I am not for it. Movies quite frequently depict all kinds of horrendeous cruelty to animals without reprisal from anyone. I think that the reason that this gets any kind of negative review is that it is done without any kind of remorse and with a level of callousness. Even in comedy there can be consequences, however in this film it was kind of the entire subplot that there never were any real consequenses for any of thier behavior. I think that was the running gag to make fun of the series that these two seemed to do no wrong as they kept coming back week after week. I did find it a bit humorous, but that is probably because I got kicked in the head by a pony when I was a kid, so maybe for me it was payback time. Still, loved the movie, very campish on a high school level. Ciao Dave  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 03-18-2004 02:33 PM                        Claude, don`t be so hypocritical. You like to watch movies, so you have seen thousands of animals "killed". Whether for humor or drama, it is always for entertainment.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-18-2004 03:36 PM                        I resent what you said very much, Mike!!!! Without even knowing me and the kind of movies I enjoy, how dare you call me a hypocrite. Just because I watch a lot of movies, what makes you think I enjoy seeing animals killed or tortured? Do you know my sister and I always try to avoid movies that depict animal cruelty? When ever such scenes are depicted on the screen, IT IS NO LONGER ENTERTAINING! -Claude  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-18-2004 03:48 PM                    quote: Yes, I know the shooting of the pony was unintentional in the movie but I still cannot understand why it should provoke people to laugh when that happened. Being an animal lover, my heart ached when I saw that scene in the trailer and I knew I was not going to spend my hard earned money on a movie that makes fun of a killing of one of God's innocent creatures Claude I didn't laugh. I didn't laugh at much of anything ion this movie.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 03-19-2004 02:11 AM                        quote: Whether for humor or drama, it is always for entertainment. Are you going to tell us that you never watch any movies in which animals (or people) get killed?  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-19-2004 03:10 PM                        Mike, To be very honest with you, yes, I have seen many films where animals have been killed. Classic examples included two Disney films. The first one I saw when I was a child that had made me cry was when Bambi's mother was shot and killed by hunters. To this day, I have never forgotten the sadness I felt at that scene when Bambi's father told the little fawn, his mother can no longer be with him. The 2nd film was when Simba's father in "THE LION KING" was also killed. I was already an adult when I saw the movie and although the film was excellent, the death scene was not entertaining at all. Another film I saw involving a death of an animal was Jean-Jacques Annaud's "THE BEAR". I really looked forward to seeing it and when I did, I was broken hearted when the little bear's mother is killed in the opening scene , I only stayed and watched the rest of the movie because I wanted to know what happens to the little cub. Although "THE BEAR" is an excellent film, I did not find it entertaining at all. Because I knew what happens at the end of Walt Disney's 1957 film "OLD YELLER", I have not seen the movie because I refuse to watch it. The only redeeming things I see in films involving a death of an animal or a person when it is done well with a purpose is the important lesson it convey about life itself and how to accept the inevitable faith that awaits us all after we become old or terminally ill. When a death of an animal is a very important part of the plot in movies such as "BAMBI", "THE LION KING", "THE BEAR" and "OLD YELLER", I have no problem at all with such scenes but I would definately not consider that tragic part of a film entertaining. I do however have a problem with the shooting of the pony in this current movie just for laughs. If you consider it entertaining, so be it but do not call me a hypocrite when I do not agree with you. -Claude [ 03-20-2004, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: Claude S. Ayakawa ]  |  IP: Logged Andy Muirhead Master Film Handler Posts: 323 From: Galashiels, Scotland Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-30-2004 07:35 PM                     Claude, I just read your review of 'Dawn of the dead' where you seemed to quite enjoy the film. That film has many shots of 'humans' having their heads blown apart for comedic value. Whats the difference? and why didn't that upset you?  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-31-2004 12:11 PM                        Andy, You bring up a very interesting point. Because I have grown up seeing people getting killed in many movies including many war films and westerns, I have become accustomed to seeing people getting killed on the screen. Yes, I have rejoiced when I saw Germans and Japanese soldiers get killed in the war films I saw when I was a kid. It was the same when Gary Cooper killed all the bad guys in "HIGH NOON". This was the same reaction I got when I recently saw "THE DAWN OF THE DEAD". However, I did not feel the killings were funny at all but only necessary so the people who are still living will have an opportunity to survive. This was also the same feeling I had when I saw war films and westerns as a little boy. As much as I had accepted the necessary deaths of the bad guys in films, I have never enjoyed seeing ANY animals get killed in films. I recall a time when I was little when my grandfather killed a live chicken for dinner and I just could not eat it because I used to feed the unfortunate animal every time my parents visited my grandparents little farm. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Matt Manalis Film Handler Posts: 27 From: Yamba, NSW, Australia Registered: Apr 2004 posted 04-17-2004 06:22 PM                        i Thought Starsky & Hutch was a well done movie over the top at times but the people are lovin it i would give it a 6 ot of 10  |  IP: Logged Peter Berrett Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 602 From: Victoria, Australia Registered: Nov 2000 posted 04-21-2004 09:59 PM                        Hi all I'll swim against the tide here a bit and say that I got some value out of the film. The film is really a parody of 70s culture (dig the afro on the young boy) as well as all those 70s cop entertainment shows eg CHIPS, Starsky & Hutch, Charlie's Angels etc. For me a highlight was when Wilson starts to sing "Don't give up on Us" which was really having a dig at David Soul. By no means will it win an OSCAR but it was worth a saturday afternoon viewing. Lighten up guys. cheers Peter  |  IP: Logged

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