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Topic: Spider-Man 2
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Aaron Haney
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From: Cupertino, CA, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 07-21-2004 10:05 PM
Like the first Spider-Man movie, this one could have used a little editing. There are some unnecessarily long speeches and too much repetition. But on the whole, this is a far superior movie to the first one. I've already seen it twice and will likely see it again.
Even the opening credits are an improvement on the first movie. The music is exactly the same as before, but the hand-drawn images of poignant scenes from the first movie make it far more interesting to watch. I've heard comments even from those who did not like Spider-Man 2 that they at least enjoyed the opening credits. I did notice this sequence looks like it has been time compressed just slightly. Some of the motion is somewhat jerky in that particular manner time compression causes.
I also enjoyed the moment when Peter Parker is on the street and shakes his head in annoyance at the lady singing the animated Spider-Man theme song. That's one of those moments that pays off only if the movie has constructed its own internal reality so strongly it can survive little in-jokes that might otherwise destroy it.
Of course, what any adventure movie needs is a strong villan, and this one has it. Doc Ock really delivers, along with Harry. The motives are clear, the appearances menacing, the fights difficult. I also liked the setup for the sequel. Should be a good one, although I suspect this might be the pinnacle of the series already. Here's hoping part 3 doesn't disappoint!
Oh yeah, and I have to say this movie looks really good. And no wonder, it employed a 4K digital intermediate. Here is an article discussing how the process was done at EFILM, although it is a little light on the technical details:
http://colorfront.com/index.php3?n=10&m=20
The article mentions how SFX shots were still done at 2K, even though the final digital master for the film was 4K. I think this shows in some places, especially the end credits, which exhibit a lot of aliasing. But overall, the image quality is really quite good.
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today
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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-01-2004 12:47 AM
Mary Jane is an evil bitch-whore! She waited all the way up to her wedding day to ditch the guy she was gonna marry. Ditching someone at the alter is evil. Hopefully she will die a slow, painful death in the guaranteed-to-be-horrible Spiderman 3 (as suggested by one of the last scenes in part 2). And why didn' Peter Parker hook up with that chick who made him chocolate cake/pie/whatever? She looks 10 times better than Kirsten Dunst and isn't such an evil bitch-whore!
The lady plucking the Spiderman tune on the violin was just retarded. Why do filmmakers insist on putting idiotic stuff like that in movies? This scene, which is played TWICE ruined my whole day by getting that tune stuck in my head. It was not funny when it appeared onscreen. Nobody laughed.
Anyway, besides those few issues, this was better than the first movie, which struggled to be mediocre. This one is a litle better than mediocre. The first hour or five are slow and boring. It seems like Doctor Octopus isn't even created until the 3rd or 4th hour, and he is given very little to do in the movie. He was a way better villian than Dennis Leary/Willem Da-Foe (same guy) as hobgoblin. But I never really cared for any of the characters. I knew Peter would save New York, I knew Peter would get his stupid bitch-whore in the end, and I knew there would be next to no onscreen deaths. Also, a guy strong enough to stop a train would absolutely pummel Doc Oc to death very quickly as he was punching him in the face. Also, what was with the freeze frame at the end of the li'l musical montage?
My guess what Spiderman 3 will be:
It will have another uninteresting goblin character played by that punk. But he certainly isn't enough to carry the movie. So they'll go the Batman route and have more than one villian. I'm getting in line for tickets now!
About the presentation:
The AMC video projector looked far better and sharper than the movie. Granted I could see scan lines, but it didn't bob and weave like the film did. The film was very soft and lacked the detail that was provided in the video preshow. The sound had actual bass, which is a first for any AMC theater on the planet. But of course it was not turned up enough. There were many morons in the audience. I was one of them simply for seeing the movie! Lots o' lab slices and CAP code to help ruin the theatrical presentation, ensuring that the best presentations will always be had at home on HD-DVD. I seriously am starting to hate the theater experience. Very few places can get it right, and they don't want to put forth the money/effort in order to do it right. Also, until we can get rid of the CAP code, theaters just cannot compete with home video.
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