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Wolff King Morrow
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 - posted 11-10-2004 04:29 PM      Profile for Wolff King Morrow   Author's Homepage   Email Wolff King Morrow   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Brad Miller
This movie is retarded and a huge waste of time.
Don't mince words, Brad. Tell me what you really think.

[Wink]

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Brad Miller
why the passenger cars are suddenly curved when the train goes up a circular mountain, how can the train steer when it is skidding on ice, how did the train magically lock every single car back on the tracks perfectly at the end of the ice scene, and so forth and so on.
Well, it IS a "magic" train. [Big Grin]

The important thing is, are the KIDS going to like it? It is their movie, after all.

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Joe Redifer
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Not enough to recoup the $171 million it cost to make this turd. $171 million and they can't even do good graphics. Or sound, apparently.

Robert Zemeckis has proven that he has outlived his usefulness. He should be lobotomized, and the part of his brain that is removed should be fed to rabid, screaming monkeys as he watches.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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Aaalll a BORED!!!

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Brian Michael Weidemann
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I was doing a lot of passenger car counting today. MOST of the time the train has five passenger cars (plus the locomotive and coal car), but there are definitely scenes, especially when they get to the North Pole, that the number of cars exceeds eight or nine.

Even with a magic train, you would at least expect SOME things to be consistent.

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Dan Suomi
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quote: Brad Miller
I'm sure it looks marvelous in 3D and I've heard great things about the presentation at the IMAX in Grand Rapids, but I have no intention of sitting through that turd again, 2D or 3D.

Thanks, I try to give people what they pay for.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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This is one gigantic "chick flick". I found it a bit repetative (too many roller coaster moments) and a little sappy. Wife thought it was wonderful, and far better than INCREDIBLES. She liked the story, characters and, actually, just about everything about the movie. To her, the "message of Christmas" was the most important part of the film.

I thought the characters were rather creepy, especially the elves, and things were much too predictible. I enjoyed the music, but I thought it sounded a bit "flat"...those big Christmas numbers at the end should have boomed out in a full rich sound. (This could be a theatre problem...this was an AMC with a torus screen.)

I plan on seeing the 3-D version at the new Showcase Springdale Imax in Cincinnati in a few weeks.

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Jeffrey Korns
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The characters are too creepy and dead faced. It should be called "Christmas Eve of the Living Dead" or "The Children of the Corn Pay a Visit to Santa's Workshop".
One guy called it a classic in the same tradition of "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians".
I knew I wouldn't like it when I saw the trailers, and I was proven right.

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Don Anderson
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I found it to be boring as hell. But, I did like the 40s era look to it. Other than that, the characters kinda creeped me out. I can't see any little kids enjoying it. Too many animated films this month....I feel sorry for any parents having to take their kids to all of them. No money for Christmas presents!!

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Eric Hooper
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I don't understand why they didn't release all the prints in 3-D? They might have had more business with people running to see it just for the 3-D effects. And it could have capitalized on following right after the suceess of Spy Kids 3-D.

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Brian Michael Weidemann
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As I recall, Spy Kids had that cheesy, old-school green/red 3D. It's a different kind of 3D system. The look of this film is very colorful and rich. The polarized 3D still retains the full color and contrast. The green/red 3D would have just ruined it, I think ... Not that the bad animation and horrid story (in some people's opinions) didn't do that already. [Razz]

Many employees at my theatre have remarked how good it looks in IMAX, then after watching part of the 35mm print (or even the digital; since we had it in our DLP auditorium, too) they say, flat out, "Oh, what's the point? It doesn't work at ALL in regular 35mm. How boring." And ultimately, I agreed. It fell flat. [Wink]

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Bobby Henderson
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I watched "The Polar Express" last night, mainly to check out the first stadium seated screening rooms to open at the local Carmike theater. The theater is in the process of converting all eight screens to stadium seating. The first three were finished and opened just a few days ago. Three other screens are now having the seats and carpeting ripped out of them as of this writing. I'm fairly impressed by the conversion. The results were quite a bit better than I had expected. Also of note, wheelchair access and seating position has been incorporated into this design to shut up some of those litigators out there.

Why didn't I watch the movies in the other two newly opened rooms? The Bridget Jones sequel and "Christmas With the Kranks" were less appealing.

Anyway, on to my opinion of the show. I actually liked "The Polar Express" more than I expected. That's not to say my take on the movie is entirely positive.

Here's what I liked. The storyline was simple and worked generally well. It was nice to see child characters looking out for each other and doing things with positive motives rather than behaving like little shitheads we see way too often in other films. The "hero boy" and "hero girl" characters take risks in making sure "lonely boy" doesn't get left out of Christmas. Overall, that gave the movie a positive and appropriate tone and theme. On the technical end, I really liked the attention to detail, modeling of objects and even the rendering style of the movie was outstanding. It didn't look like any other all-CG movie I've seen in the past. The look seemed more ethereal, which I guess works for a fantasy. The steam locomotive was really cool. Even the way the snow was handled seemed to break new ground.

Here's what I didn't like: the movie dragged at times and seemed a bit too dark and lonely at times as well. As much as the original children's book is loved, I don't know if some children might be wierded out by the vibe. And this is really where the facial animation of the characters makes it most negative impact. Just from hearing people talk about it, I thought it was a superficial argument. But the problem really does affect the whole tone of the movie unfortunately.

To be fair, I didn't see too many parts of the movie where the characters looked "dead." More often, however, their facial movements seemed stiff and almost like that of a manikin or animatronic puppet. I even chuckled a few times where "hero boy" looked as though he was on a quaalude high. The worst instance of facial animation, for me, was the hot chocolate sequence. You have all these waitors and chefs doing acrobatic leaps throughout this coach as they serve cocoa, but they're mostly doing this stuff totally stone faced. Really odd. The fat train engineer was one of the few characters that seemed to look more alive. With so much excellent work on all the other details of the movie, the shortcomings in facial animation are all the more glaring.

The look of the film was great, but the sound mix could have been better. I watched this in a newly set up auditorium, playing DTS, with new subwoofer drivers no less. The arrival of the train was impressive. But much of the mix sounded broadly spread across the surrounds. I was kind of surprised by that, considering Randy Thom was responsible for the mix. His work on "The Incredibles" was very aggressive. I'm sure "The Incredibles" may be another sound reference piece on DVD to go alongside "Toy Story 2".

For the other areas drawing complaints, mainly with the impossible feats accomplished by the train, that didn't bother me at all. When some 200 ton magic steam train is able to roll up the street where there's normally no rails at all, and its traveling off to a fictional place, I would not have been surprised to see the train fly at some point. Sure, the train on ice thing was a big stretch (and they tried to make it seem plausible with the throttle and brakes steering the train). I was also fully aware that there's no locomotive on the planet able to pull trains up some of the mountain sides shown in this movie, much less even some of the more mild grades depicted. But, again, this didn't bother me. It fits right along with Superman being able to fly high in public wearing his panties on the outside of his tights.

Now, do I recommend this movie? At best my opinion is mixed. Grade school kids will probably like it. And the show might be a treat for any stream train enthusiast. But I think the creepy and stoned looking qualities of the characters are going to turn off a lot of adults.

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Mike Blakesley
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We are playing this movie right now and I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but people are mostly totally loving it! This is the 2nd movie in a row we've had, where the media, critics and a few cranky Film-Techers have hated it, but audiences in general have loved it. Go figure.

We had a special show for the local grade school (K through 3) and they had a "Santa Claus" at the exit after the movie handing out silver-bells to every kid. Those kids were absolutely floating on the way out of here.

I think maybe WB knew it would get bad reviews based on the animation, so that's why they released it in November -- get the reviews out of the way before the Christmas season kicked in, and then on Thanksgiving weekend the word of mouth from "real people" would take over. If they'd released it in December, the foul reviews would've killed it. (This is just a theory of course, but the bottom line is it's doing nearly as well here as Incredibles did so there will be no complaints from me!)

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Brian Michael Weidemann
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I agree. That's a very plausible interpretation, Mike.

It's still doing great business for us here. We're STILL getting audiences applauding at the end. I've rarely seen that happen beyond a movie's first week.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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In an earlier review, I was strongly negative about this film. I have now seen it in 3-D. That is the ONLY way to see this film.

This is the best 3-D experience I have ever seen. It is crisp and bright and incredibly detailed.

The characters seemed to be "flat" (no pun intended there) in 2-D. In 3-D, the characters look more like those in the book. They seem to be a bit more rounded out.

The sound had much more punch with the Imax sound system. AMC Easton's system has a very strong (but now overpowering) low-end that delivers that chest-shaking thump when necessary. Dialogue is very clear and clean.

This is what 3-D should look like! It's full of 3-D gimmicks and its just a plain fun movie that is good for all ages. Lots of very young ones at my performance, and they loved every minute. Best behaved crowd of children I've seen in a LONG time.

AMC Easton 30 Imax is showing 1 show of Polar Express daily (twice this holiday weekend -- I went to the 11:15am Sunday Morning show) with HARRY POTTER 2D filling out the rest of the Imax day.

One comment for the folks at the AMC Easton 30 Imax. There were a lot of hairs and dirt particles on the right eye print during the HAPPY FEET trailer and part of the underwater film trailer (do we really need another Imax 3-D underwater film?) Very very distracting. The POLAR EXPRESS had no dirt or scratches.

If you hated this film in 2-D (and I really hated it!), I strongly suggest you give the 3-D Imax version a chance if it is showing in your area. I think you will be impressed.

I was skeptical about this doing any decent business, especially since the DVD came out this week. An over $18,000 average per theatre is quite good, especially since many places were only showing a few shows a day of POLAR.

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