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Brad Miller
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quote: Scott Norwood
So, Brad, you would be opposed to intentionally shooting in Academy 1.33 (err, 1.37) as well? It should have nearly all the light efficiency advantages as scope and the format can be shown full-frame on television without butchering the original framing.
Good point, he might as well have. He killed the viewer's peripheral vision and pull them OUT of the movie with the "big black bars on the sides of the image" anyway, so at least 1.33 would've made for a far superior quality image in theaters.

Plus tv is all that matters in the long run anyway, right?

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Mark J. Marshall
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So the tripods are tall? So what? SCOPE = wider shot = show more of tripods = more action = more fun = better movie.

Oh, well... I probably don't know what I'm talking about.

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Aaron Haney
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quote: Lyle Romer
I thought it was more like a collection of scenes than a movie.
I came away with the same impression. It's very disjoint. Still, the first hour or so was amazingly well done. I'm glad I saw it.

[SPOILERS!]

The first attack scene and the following getaway are terrific. I was particularly impressed by the use of long, unbroken shots:

1. The first shot of the tripod, looking over Tom Cruise's shoulder. First the ground breaks, and he and several other people run for cover. The shot continues without cutting away. Then a car comes flying out of the hole in the groud, obviously thrown by something BIG. The camera still doesn't look away. Then the tripod comes rising up out of the ground. You can see its huge shape, partially shrouded in smoke. It looked amazingly real and gave a great impression of size and scale. And the camera still hasn't cut away during all of this! It really immerses you in the scene, especially since it is all filmed from the eye-level of people on the street.

2. Another shot where Tom Cruise is running away, and people around him are getting zapped by the heat ray. The camera follows him into a building, a car crashes through the window, and he keeps running onto the next block. The whole thing is done in one unbroken steadicam shot.

3. During the getaway, there was an incredible shot which followed the van with Cruise and his kids in it, speeding down the highway as it moved through all the stalled cars blocking the road. The camera circled the van multiple times, moving in and out of windows, following it as it traveled. It was all so smoothly integrated I wonder if a lot of viewers didn't notice it. All the reflections, light, and shadows changed as they should, matching the camera movement and the movement of the van. I've seen movies attempt shots like this before, but this one was much more complex and so well done it looked utterly convincing. It was an amazing variation on the standard shot of characters conversing in a moving car. This one let you hear their conversation while still keeping you aware of the pandemonium around them. Again, this is the sort of thing that really immerses you in the movie.

However, all the above felt like a set-up. There was never really a payoff. I was expecting to see sequences of the tripods leveling cities and decimating human armies. Instead, we got tantalizing glimpses of massive numbers of tripods via a television monitor in the news van, and hints of a huge battle taking place just over a hill (but we never quite got to see what's going on up there). The film instead turned into a personal survival tale for its second half, and not a very good one at that. The scene with Tim Robbins, for example, goes on way too long. I did enjoy the bit with the grenades, but then the sappy ending came along (the stupid son should have died [Roll Eyes] ) and brought it back down.

Overall, it was worth seeing, but the second half does not live up to the expectations raised by the first half. It should have gone more in the direction of the George Pal predecessor, and shown us events on a more global scale.

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Aaron Garman
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quote: Brad Miller
Seriously, you must work at one of those suck-o-matic "top masking" multiplexes. Properly set up, the scope image is exactly the same height as flat. You just get extra width (and resolution, and brightness, and steadiness, etc, etc, etc). Shooting in flat just makes it as if you have your hands up against the sides of your eyes, blocking out all peripheral vision. Artistic intent my ass. It's just being stupid.
Actually, 6 of our 14 houses are set up for constant height, so I do understand the advantages. We're running WOW on 3 screens now, all with side masking, and each screen looks wonderful. I just don't always buy into scope equals better mantra. I do not disagree at all that flat is a lesser format, but rather believe that a film maker should be able to shoot a film the way he/she wants. Is Spielberg stupid? I highly doubt that. Just looking at his resume of films, he definitely has had some great stories, art, and just overall entertainment. I also have seen cases were flat looks absolutely fine. Finding Nemo was amazing, as was Sin City.

As for artistic intent, any artist likes to work within a specific space. Sure, it may not be as technically sound as the next guy, but they feel comfortable in that space and wish to convey their ideas in a way they feel right doing. It's Spielberg's movie, his piece of art. Calling him stupid for shooting it a specific away isn't fair criticism. He aims, along with any artist, to achieve a specific effect with his work, and he uses the flat ratio to do it.

AJG

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Don Anderson
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How much of the 134 million budget was Tom Cruise's salary???? This movie sucked ass, give it 3 months and it will be on every video stores "new release" shelf. [dlp] [thumbsdown]

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Brad Miller
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quote: Aaron Garman
Calling him stupid for shooting it a specific away isn't fair criticism. He aims, along with any artist, to achieve a specific effect with his work, and he uses the flat ratio to do it.
Blah, blah, blah. Sorry I'm not as "PC" as you, but the man is a retard for shooting in flat on every level and it DEFINITELY took away from the experience.

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Joe Redifer
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I think a common misconception is "Spielberg's made a ton of money-making and entertaining movies. Therefore he MUST know what he is doing with each and every one of his actions". Not always the case. Such a concept idolizes Spielberg, and no human should be idolized except me. He is not perfect. I have heard that Spielberg likes flat because he is worried about compromising his work for video. Now he is just used to that aspect. I don't know if that is true or not, but I wouldn't be surprised. When Georgey-poo is calling the shots, at least he forces Spielberg to shoot in scope.

Still Aaron, surely you must agree that 1.33 would make the tripods look even taller, and yes it IS a viable format to shoot and present movies in. Just remove the anamorphic element from your scope lens (unless you have really cheap lenses, in which case you deserve to go out of business, lose your job and be penniless forever). Flat is too wide for this movie, right?

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Bobby Henderson
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If monster height was important, why not shoot in IMAX or even Omnimax? Oh. There I go again with my wishing for directors to shoot in 70mm shit. Sorry.

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Paul Mayer
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Nah, shoot it in vertical VistaVision and have an AR anywhere from 0.5 to 0.671.

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Mike Blakesley
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Why isn't every "flat" movie printed in scope format with side letterboxing, the way Scope trailers for Flat movies are printed? The picture would be the same size but would look much better (brighter.)

As for the Flat WOTW -- I guess I'll just sit a few rows closer when I watch it. I do wish Spielberg would quit talking out of both sides of his face -- he says film is the best format, but he shoots for TV.

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Darryl Spicer
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At first I was like why did he do this flat. But after seeing the movie it really didn't bother me that it was. It was sort of the same feeling I had with Jurrasic Park.

As far as the flat on scope. It just wouldn't look right on any screen that has top masking.

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John Lasher
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I believe Speilberg is one of those directors who shoots flat because of TV Pan & Scan, or something. Also I read on the cinematography.com forums that Janusz Kaminski (Speilberg's DP since Schindler's List) prefers shooting with spherical lenses. [shrugs]

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Jon Morgan
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quote: Stephanie M. Brosche
2. How come there was a tongue/mouth on the SPACE SHIP that the aliens were driving. It's like the entire crowd forgot that those tripods are not the actual aliens. We are reminded of this later when an alien comes sliding out of a craft, but by then every one seems to have forgotten that they tried to pass off a mouth on the damn things.
Well, there could be a lot of reasons. One, it could be some sort of other, larger lifeform, used as a conveyance by the smaller lifeform. Two, it could just be technology inspired by living organisms. Or that could just be how things developed on whatever world.

quote: Lyle Romer
Why do the tripods vaporize everything excep Tom Cruise when he is near everybody getting vaporized?
Well, obviously some amount of people survived the attacks. If the story had followed somebody who was the first to die, it would have been a bit shorter [Roll Eyes]

I do agree about the whole scope thing, though, it really would have added to the movie.

All in all, it wasn't without problems, but in terms of being a summer Spielberg spectacle, I was pleased.

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Sam Graham
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CINEMA: Valle Drive-In Theatre, Newton, IA
AUDITORIUM: 1
PRESENTATION: DTS Digital 1.1 via in-car speaker and some neighboring cars with great big subwoofers
PRESENTATION PROBLEMS: Flat? Try side-masking a DRIVE-IN screen sometime
RATING: Two stars (out of four)

WARNING: Spoilers are a part of a healthy nutritious breakfast.

Okay, let's see here. Giant three-legged mechanical spiders with fricking laser beams roam the planet and vaporize people. That's all fine and dandy. But Cruise's character was the most unlikeable I've seen in some time. He's this self-loathing putz in a 1980's "Members Only" jacket. He has no skills. He has two kids and an ex-wife who looks at him like "God you're cute, but what the hell's wrong with you?" And he's running around acting like a weiner. There's attempts at humor in the dialogue between Cruise's Ray Ferrier and kids in Spielberg fashion, but it isn't funny because who cares about Ray Ferrier? They should have cast Joe Don Baker in the lead. He could play the big dopey loser dad much better...and he'd still kick ass through the movie.

I did enjoy the lightning scenes up through the introduction of the tripods, and the mechanical snake probe thingie with the adorably inquisitive look on its face. That's about it. Otherwise I asked myself questions like "Why is everybody desperate to get on the ferry? Are they WANTING to be sitting ducks for the tripods?" Then the ending just kind of happens and it's so throwaway that a narrator has to explain it. Although the narration gave me the idea that this would have been a good vehicle for Hitchcock back in the 60's.

Ah, what could have been...

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Jon Morgan
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SPOILERS!!!

For what it's worth, the ending is from the story the film is based upon, which I would imagine most people going into the film would know beforehand anyway.

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