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Author Topic: X-Men 3 Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 05-27-2006 02:44 PM                     quote: Why would someone want to make a movie with the same story line as in the comics? There wouldn't be much to look forward to in the movie? Right? Who cares about comic books anyways? It's just like D & D, I enjoyed as a teenager - but then I grew up. Comic Book fans over 25 need to get a life! What did you think of SIN CITY? That movie is word-for-word, shot-for-shot, the same as the comic, and it's the best comic book movie ever made. There's more to a movie than just the story. Also, the mere fact that you are changing media makes it a different experience (in this case, a better one). Would you consider SIN CITY to be inappropriate for adults? How about A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE? I noticed that you gave V FOR VENDETTA a very positive review. That's just a dumbed down version of the comic. What decade are we living in? I thought by now people knew better.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 05-27-2006 02:57 PM                     Excellent film. When I say excellent I mean it kept me entertained for two hours without any pathetic un-necessary mushy love scenes. The audience at our midnight show went nuts over the snakes on a plane trailer. [ 05-27-2006, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Chris Hipp ]  |  IP: Logged Dennis Benjamin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1445 From: Denton, MD Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-27-2006 03:13 PM                        Dude, chill. I could actually care less where the story of a movie came from. I only care what is up on that big screen. Hence, one reason I post on Film-Tech.com and not Comic-Tech.com. They are only movies. The point I was making is that too many people get caught in the story lines. Thats it. BTW- you went back and looked at my past reviews of movies? Can I get some of your free time?  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 05-27-2006 04:12 PM                     Dennis, Maybe I came off a little strong. Sorry about that. What can I say? I was offended. It's just that you hear people say "Get a Life!" all the time. Unless it's coming from William Shatner, I'm not down with that for two reasons. It's mean and stupid. The funny part is, it's usually coming from people who just sat through X3. But I'm over it now. No big deal. Anyway, on to more interesting topics of discussion, If you would have said that it doesn't matter how true to the source material a movie is, I would have agreed with you. Who cares? They should use what works best. In the case of THE DA VINCI CODE, they changed the story of Jesus. They made it more interesting, and that's cool. On the other hand, you've got people who are really attached to the original story, and they're outside protesting. That's the point I was trying to make. Fans of the comic would be more receptive to something which builds on the mythology than something which changes one of its key elements. I haven't read the Phoenix storyline. The X-Men are dead to me. But what's in the movie is crap. From what I've been told, the comic is much less crappy. So in this case, changing it was probably a bad idea.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-27-2006 04:48 PM                        quote: Mike Schindler The X-Men are dead to me. Please explain. Michael, I love your enthusiasm....it sounds like passion that comes with youth. How old are you? I know when anyone is really into a work, whatever the format, morphing it into another is always very precarious for that devotee. I know. I happen to think CAROUSEL is the be best music Richard Rogers ever wrote (he said it was one of his favorites as well). I've run that movie many times in our rep program. Sappy as it is, for whatever reason, I really love it. My mom took me to see it when I was a kid and it just clicked; those brain cells snapped together and are locked in place forever, for which I make no apologies. Then when a live production was mounted by Lincoln Center a few years ago, my girlfriend, my brother, his wife and I went to see it. Turns out, that particular production was an abortion of the highest magnitude. And I must tell you, it was physically painful to watch it being distroyed on that stage; the emotions of anger and sadness were so strong in my gut that I would have gotten up left the theatre (dispite the $95 ticket price) had I not been with others. I am sure I would have shouted out something obscene on the way out as well. But I sat and endured it. Here's the kicker -- my brother and his wife just thought it was peachy-keen, as I assume did most of the audience given their applause. My girlfriend had enough sense to tell me she thought it was terrible. Thing is Michael, was I being objective? -- I think I was, perhaps a bit more critical than the others, but objective enough that I can quantify and articulate my objections which I think are legitimate. Were the people who had not seen the movie or perhaps had not loved it as much as I, were these people simply brain dead? Damn straight....and morons. Well, no....they just were looking for some entertainment while I was looking for a verification of my past memory and for the production to meet my very specific expectations. Bottom line....Lincoln Center is DEAD TO ME!  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 05-27-2006 05:43 PM                     Frank, I have just crossed the threshold into the non-comic-reading age of 26. I was raised in an environment which did not look favorably upon reading X-MEN. Then again, this was the 90s, when Marvel was at its worst. It was just one of those things. You don't read X-MEN, you don't root for the Cubs, etc. But these things have a way of sticking. I still hate the Cubs, and I've never really read X-MEN. Occasionally I'd pick it up, like when Joss Whedon started writing it. But I didn't really care either way, and I still don't. My interest in the movies comes from the fact that they were by the guy who made THE USUAL SUSPECTS. And when I watch X2, what I see as being the heaviest influence is actually THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's how I contextualize it. As far as adaptation goes, I totally agree with you. Adaptation is a really bizarre, unnatural thing. Taking text and converting it to pictures and sounds? That's a ridiculous concept, and it's unbelievable that it ever works. And when it does work, you're usually so attached to the original piece that it's impossible to judge the adaptation without bias. It's bound to disappoint because you know how to make it better, and you can't do anything about it. I was trying to think of an example where an adaptation was vastly different and yet better than a "beloved" original, and the best I could come up with was THE LONG GOODBYE. Chandler's character is the quintessential pulp detective. In the movie, that character is very true to his origins, but he's thrown into this extraordinarily bizarre Altman universe. It not even the same decade (although he doesn't seem to notice). But it totally works.  |  IP: Logged Caleb Johnstone-Cowan Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 593 From: London, UK Registered: Mar 2006 posted 05-27-2006 08:23 PM                     Thanks for the heads up Mike, I shall rent the other two out and then go when the crowds die down. As for age, very few children in the audience, maybe 20 out now 30 showings. Would say 70% are over 25.  |  IP: Logged Justin Gorka Expert Film Handler Posts: 174 From: High Wycombe, England Registered: Apr 2006 posted 05-27-2006 08:44 PM                     Who are the Cubs? I take each film as it comes, I don't care about the genre, who directed it, who the star is.....A good film is a good film. In our company we have to preview every film before the public see it and belive me I've seen some dross. But at the end of the day no matter how crap a film is, if the public pay to watch it, I'm happy cos they pay my wages. I still think X-men 3 is dross though!  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 05-27-2006 09:07 PM                     What exactly is dross? Judging by your use of the word, it sounds like dross and the Cubs are essentially the same thing. The Cubs are a band of losers who play baseball on the north side of Chicago. Unlike the reigning league-champion White Sox on the south side of town, the Cubs haven't won a World Series since 1908. They blame their failure on a goat. I'm guessing it has more to do with their pitching. In other words, to bring this thread back on topic, the Cubs are the baseball equivalent of X3.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 05-28-2006 07:16 PM                        Today 5/28/06, 12:15PM, Regal Cinema World 8 in Eugene, House #8, SR•D. Attendance around 35-40. Looked good, sounded great - No presentation complaints. The cleaning crew stayed out of the auditorium until the scene after the credits played out, which about a dozen people stayed for. OK, what X3 is, is a decent summer popcorn action flic, and not much more. Like Dave Williams, I know nothing about X-Men except the movies, so the movies stand on their own, and they mostly work for me. Couldn't tell you whether the Phoenix story was botched or not, I have no idea. Anyway I was sufficiently entertained by X3 to give it a pass, although I don't think it's nearly as good as X1. POSSIBLE SPOILER: Did the movie give an explanation of the kid on Alcatraz who supposedly was the source of the "cure"? Maybe I was zoned out but I don't think they explained that at all, just "he's the source of the cure". Huh?! 3 out of 5 stars from me.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-28-2006 08:48 PM                     quote: Dennis Benjamin Why would someone want to make a movie with the same story line as in the comics? Same reason for adapting an already published book into movie form. If its a good story then it may be worth using for a movie. And the already existing work demands some sense of respect. If the book, comic, graphic novel or whatever previously published idea is good enough to make into a movie then it must have already had some good stuff going on in it. However, I really dislike when movie people feel they can just jack around with an already well established storyline -often with the arrogance of feeling they know how to tell the story better. Honestly, if that's how they really feel then they need to come up with their own f**king story idea rather than scavenging over other peoples ideas! I've seen a lot of really good books horribly butchered in their movie counterparts. One of the worst offenders of all time has to be Bonfire of the Vanities. As arrogant as some filmmakers seem to be, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did another version of Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet where the main characters survived and lived happily ever after at the end. Ridiculous? Hardly. I'm sure there's more than a few of those corporate types with slide rule results saying the new remakes will do better with happy endings. My complaints are different from the practical dilema of compartmentalizing a novel into the space of a 2 hour movie. That can be done without changing around fundamental aspects of a story. Even still, the 2 hour movie format is very limiting when it comes to treating novels properly. Many books would work a lot better as a multi-part cable mini-series or something like that.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 05-28-2006 08:58 PM                     #############SPOILER FOR DAVID########### As far as I could tell, the kids X gene gave him the power to "take away" other mutants powers, but only within a few feet of him. So I guess they derived "the cure" from his DNA.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 05-29-2006 01:01 AM                        quote: Bobby Henderson or Hamlet where the main characters survived and lived happily ever after at the end. Hmm... The Lion King?  |  IP: Logged Jason Winn Expert Film Handler Posts: 131 From: Mesquite, TX, USA Registered: Jan 2006 posted 05-29-2006 02:28 AM                     I loved this movie. It was probably the best one of the series. I don't care if they changed the Pheonix storyline or not. I know nothing about the comics, so I could care less. It was a fun and exciting movie. Rumor has it that they're gonna come out with a Wolverine spin-off movie, with just Wolverine by himself. For some reason, Wolverine seems to be everybodys favorite X-men character. My favorite X-men character is "The Multiple Man" Jamie Madrox. I just love his name. Since this is Film-Tech, I guess I ought to critique the presentation. I saw it at the Studio Movie Grill in Plano, TX. The presentation was perfect! I've seen my fair share of crappy presentations lately, so this was a nice breath of fresh air. Good job, Chris, Brad, and anyone else that works at that theatre.  |  IP: Logged Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-29-2006 12:43 PM                        quote: Mike Schindler Not watching credits allows me to watch 15 more movies a year This would be true if you could bank your saved time like you bank saved money. As time is linear and not cyclical, this is not possible. It actually comes down to effective time management. Time management starts with self respect, and ends with respect for others. The two are inexorably intertwined, and should not be separated. When you show other respect, and demand the same for yourself, you will be able to free up your time more effectively. I have a pool table, and a TV. I love certain shows, and I love to play pool. Doing both activities at the same time saves me two hours a day, which I now spend bicycling to improve my health. This is respect for myself. It also shows respect for others by trying to slim down my fat ass. Ciao  |  IP: Logged

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