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Pravin Ratnam
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posted 06-17-2018 06:57 PM

I dont think the worldwide destruction stuff has anything to do with global appeal, but scale. The bigger the better for some of these filmmakers.

If they really wanted more global appeal, maybe they try to mine more epic stories from world literature and distill the essence into a fun hollywood scripts instead of rehashing tired comic book concepts alone. And make the superheroes more vulnerable to injury. They had to come up with kryptonite or Superman would have been really boring to read. A lot of these MArvel superheroes dont need kryptonite. Why is IronMan so freaking indestructible in that suit? IS there some super anticollision cushioning in that? He is just a freaking regular man like Batman.

When did Spiderman become the man of steel because no matter what kind of collision he has, he never gets injured.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-17-2018 10:57 PM

Or they fall down moaning and groaning like they just got multiple contusions but then stand up and BAM CRASH start fighting again.

The more "action packed" these movies get, the more boring they get because there are only so many ways to beat up people and destroy buildings.

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Buck Wilson
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posted 06-18-2018 09:39 PM

Everyone knows what they're in for when they go to see a Superhero movie, and everyone does indeed go.

If Hollywood made a truly "great" movie, would anyone notice? If every critic and review gave 5/5 stars on a movie, would it pull in as much money as a Marvel movie before getting shuffled out of the CattlePlex 24 in 2 weeks?

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-18-2018 10:19 PM

Superhero movies, or pretty much anything with giant explosions and/or car chases is all Hollywood wants to make any effort to sell anymore. IMHO we can thank greed over international market money for that.

Hollywood rarely makes any truly great comedies anymore. The reasons are pretty obvious. Truly great comedy is VERY HARD to do. It's even more difficult to get a great comedy to translate to foreign language audiences. This is yet another reason why a classic such as Blazing Saddles would be impossible to produce and distribute today. I don't think Blazing Saddles was politically incorrect, particularly with Richard Pryor writing a bunch of the most controversial dialog. But if the movie was made today the bean counters would be far more worried about people in China or wherever not getting the jokes.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-18-2018 11:28 PM

Blazing Saddles'd NEVER get made today. The studio executives would be pissing their pants before the actor finished the line, "Send over a couple of (n-words)." I think that happens in the first five minutes or so.

I think the campfire scene would survive, as would all the sex jokes, but there's way too much racial humor in that movie for today's tender-feelinged audiences.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-19-2018 11:47 AM

quote: Mike Blakesley
Blazing Saddles'd NEVER get made today. The studio executives would be pissing their pants before the actor finished the line, "Send over a couple of (n-words)." I think that happens in the first five minutes or so.

Even back then studio heads were nervous as hell about it (as were the actors having to say those lines). Their out was that Richard Pryor was writing a bunch of that dialog. Still, they hit the brakes on letting Pryor play the Black Bart character, choosing a less militant, more nice actor with Cleavon Little.

Modern filmmakers have been able to get away with use of the N-bomb. It depends on the context of how it is being used, such as a character with antagonistic flaws saying it. Quentin Tarantino did get some heat about his use of the slur in Pulp Fiction. IIRC Denzel Washington personally confronted him about it.

The bigger problem with comedy (or any American movie with well written, witty dialog) is it does not export to foreign markets easily. The documentary Exporting Raymond, about making a Russian version of Everybody Loves Raymond shows many of the pitfalls. American jokes and cultural references go right over the heads of Russian viewers. And they don't relate to these American characters at all.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-19-2018 12:31 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Still, they hit the brakes on letting Pryor play the Black Bart character, choosing a less militant, more nice actor with Cleavon Little.

That's not the reason. They changed to Cleavon Little because the studio was worried about Richard Pryor being uninsurable, due to his drug arrest history.

Wikipedia says:

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Casting was problematic. Richard Pryor was Brooks' original choice to play the Sheriff Bart, but the studio, claiming his history of drug arrests made him uninsurable, refused to approve financing with Pryor as the star.[9] Cleavon Little was cast in the role, and Pryor remained as a writer.

(I was going to quote from the original article which was on Salon.com but the link is dead now. But the same info is found on the DVD or Blu Ray commentary.)

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-19-2018 11:06 PM

I'll have to listen to the commentary on the Blu-ray disc again. I could have sworn Mel Brooks said the studio didn't want Pryor on screen in the Black Bart role because he was "too militant" and scary for mainstream audiences (which didn't make sense to me since he had already been pretty popular on TV comedy shows).

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Marcel Birgelen
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posted 06-19-2018 11:42 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
I think the campfire scene would survive, as would all the sex jokes, but there's way too much racial humor in that movie for today's tender-feelinged audiences.

So, what about the latest Tarantino movies? They don't seem to be so racial correct to me. [Wink]

It's striking how those movies actually contain more comedic elements than almost anything coming out of Hollywood branded "comedy". The latest three movies had me rolling all over the floor, it's been a while an actual comedy managed to do the same.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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posted 06-24-2018 08:43 PM

funny how a discussion of a movie digresses to other topics - anyhoo ... as to 'Infinity Wars' I really dug it, although with how it ended, seeing some young Marvel fan uncontrollably weeping at his mom's side was too much for my heart to take. Chipper up young buttercup all will be resolved in the sequel.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-24-2018 11:01 PM

They should have telegraphed more that this was a "part 1." Hell I didn't know it until a couple of days into this movie's run. We had multiple people who were upset or pissed about the ending. When I told them it was a part 1, they felt better.

What ever happened to putting "to be continued" at the end? Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe it's flop sweat. If the movie tanks they can just forget about the sequel since they didn't out-and-out promise one during the movie. (Same as with Solo.)

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Frank Cox
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posted 06-24-2018 11:45 PM

It does say "Whatzisname will return" (the bad guy) at the end of the credits.

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted 07-10-2018 01:54 PM

THEATER: AMC Universal City
SHOEBOX: 17, six rows times about 8 recliners; sat dead middle of row 3, which for the small 'scope screen was perfect
PRESENTATION: Mystery meat laser-phosphor digital; brightness and color were excellent, black level fair.
Audio was supposedly Atmos, but none of the 4 of us ever heard anything elsewhere but wall surrounds; worse, the bass was neither very low in response, nor powerful.
COST: $17.75 per recliner
PRESENTATION PROBLEMS: Audio was unimpressive as noted above;
Noovie used more of the screen than the feature;
Although real screen masking was engaged between Noovie and the previews starting to reduce the height to common-width 'scope, the projector was misaligned so there was 6-10 inches of unused, naked screen on three sides. On a 20' wide screen, that wasn't subtle.
The front emergency exit light to the right of the screen is ~***B~R~I~G~H~T***~ but at least gets shut off during the feature.
The used-gum enhancement to the side of my recliner was gross.
RATING: Two and one half stars (out of four), except having it be the slightest bit coherent with that many conflicts among that many characters maybe deserves three stars. Or not.

quote: Sam Graham
PLOT: The Avengers need to stop Thanos from getting his paws on all the infinity stones. They fail and the credits roll, listing the literal thousands who were involved in the making of this picture right down to the assistant payroll accountants. Then a commercial for the all-new 2019 Infiniti QX50, starring Samuel Jackson, airs. Then we all exit to the lobby, where kids are telling those waiting in line to see this that it's the greatest movie ever.

Sam, you are a classic. Now that I've seen it all, your summary really amused me.

Little to add to the previous discussion. You all are right on point. On the way to the theater, my son did an impressive half-hour summary of all that we've missed by only seeing about half of the Marvel movies. Without that understanding of who was who, and which of three universes they belong to, the movie would've been incomprehensible. Well, except for the regularly occurring "whoops, he got another stone" moments.

And I agree that the relentless stream of "must save the universe" plots is getting tiresome. From the looks of the 17 minutes'-worth of trailers we were bludgeoned with before the feature, that's all that the future currently holds. Wouldn't it be more interesting to let the bad guy win? There you go: "Earnest Destroys the Universe." Hmmm, maybe not!

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Jarod Reddig
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posted 08-16-2018 01:17 PM

In preparing for this movie I watched each of the Marvel Universe movies in the order in which they took place in the story; not the order in which they were released. CNET has an article about it. If I hadn't of done that I wouldn't of understood half of the inside stuff going on in this movie. All the snippets at the end of each one are fairly important. I really enjoyed it. Made me appreciate it more. Im 37 but a kid at heart. Ironically when I was a kid I hated this kind of crap. I love(d)movies like old westerns and revenge movies or classic hot rod movies growing up. Now I enjoy some of these Marvel movies and animations and stuff too. I became a home theater nut too so that can broaden one's viewing horizons.

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