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Chad Souder
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I can't honestly believe anyone prefers slope over stadium. Insurance is phooey. We've never had anyone injure themselves on stadium any more than did slip on pop that was spilt 15 rows higher up the slope. The fact is, stadium gives you a better view. Period. Everything else needs to be adjusted accordingly (light, sound, etc.), but there is no way stadium is a fad, because the theatre industry decides what the fads are, so if they want it to stay, it'll stay.

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Evans A Criswell
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As a customer, I can definitely say that I prefer stadium seating to standard seating. I've been in far too many shows where someone's head blocked the view of part of the screen in standard auditoriums. I tend to avoid going to showings in auditoriums with standard seating unless I know there will not be many people there.

The stadium seating auditoriums in my area have fairly steep slopes, which limits the depth that the stadium seating section can have. All stadium auditorums in my area have standard seating sections in the front of the stadium sections because the depth of the stadium section is limited by the slope.

I've often wondered why older standard auditoriums, when converted to stadium seating, are not converted to a stadium style with less of a rise from one row to the next. The rise in most stadium auditoriums in my area is about a foot per row. I visited one theatre, the Shady Brooks Cinemas in Columbia, TN, and in the stadium auditoriums, the slope was less (about 6 or 8 inches per row). It wasn't quite enough to keep a tall person sitting in front of you from blocking a bit of the screen with the top of his head, but it was enough slope for 99 percent of the movies and audiences, where showings don't come close to selling out. In both showings I attended at this theatre, there were plenty of seats to choose with nobody in the seat directly in front. A smaller rise from row to row allows the stadium section to be much larger and allows deeper auditoriums.

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Richard Fowler
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Stadium vs slope....a never ending question.
I do cinemas in the U.S. and Foreign. Because of ADA and the need to get a reasonable amount of people into a set space, most stadium projects I work on in the U.S. tend to be split slope / stadium. Outside of the U.S. I am working on full stadium rooms which you enter from the front sides of the room and you go up. Full stadium rooms, if large, are unconfortable to watch the bottom of an image since it tends to give some people nausea....especially if you are constantly reading sub-titles...... I have a competitor who designs some of his full stadium rooms with so steep a rake, I have seen people stumble upon entering from the top entrance.
Also it is safer and more natural for someone to negotiate a 9 - 12 inch step then a bunch of baby steps........
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Mike Spaeth
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I can honestly say that I PREFER sloped seating to stadium. I prefer to be looking up at my movie rather than down at it. I am on the taller side (6'3), so I don't have a problem seeing over people in front of me.

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Evans A Criswell
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For every tall person who has no trouble seeing over people in front of them, there will be several seats behind them that are no good.

I still think that a stadium design with a less agressive slope from one row to the next is a good compromise between the two extremes.

One extreme is the auditoriums built in the late 1970s and early 1980s by Fairlane-Litchfield where one person's head can protrude into the screen area for people in seats many rows behind them. The screens are low and there isn't much slope.

The other extreme is the stadium design where each row is at least a foot higher then the one in front. A very short person can sit behind a tall person in that case with no head protrusion into the screen area. The problem is that the auditorium must be shallow or a section of standard seating must be in front of it. People in the back of the auditorium are above the screen center in some cases. Portholes must be higher (more keystoning).

With the middle ground (like Shady Brook Cinemas in Columbia, TN), a 6 to 8 inch rise per row works well in most cases. I wonder why the larger chains are not building auditoriums in this fashion. It seems to be a happy compromise.


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Scott Norwood
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Put me down as one who honestly prefers _most_ sloped configurations to _most_ stadium configurations which I have seen. Obviously there are exceptions, but I'm not a fan of the typical implementations of the stadium concept.

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Rachel Carter
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I agree with Scott. I feel more comfortable in most slope settings. I am not particularly tall and I have had peoples heads get in the way of my view. But then again, I tend to sit closer to the front then the back so that makes a difference.

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John Pytlak
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Most of the "advantages" of stadium seating can be implemented in a conventionally sloped auditorium. Comfortable seats, plenty of legroom, and good sightlines are not unique to stadium designs. The steps (handicapped and elderly access), high projection angles (keystoning and illumination non-uniformity) and acoustic issues of steep stadium designs are challenging.

In a conventionally sloped auditorium, sightlines can be addressed by using optimized slope, staggered seating, greater row spacing, and raising the bottom of the screen, with reclining seats to allow comfortable viewing of the slightly higher screen.

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Bob Maar
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I would cast my vote with the raked floor over the stadium stating. Many theatres in New York were built with Both. Raked floors in the front part of the auditorium which usually had twenty to thirty rows of staggered seating and a stadium in the rear of the auditoriums which contained an additional ten to twenty rows. Access to the projection booths was to walk up the steps of the stadium.

Many of these auditoriums would have a slight bowl effect where the floor would slope down two thirds of the way and the start a gradual slope upward toward the screen area.

I have found that many of the older 55 + generation people who attend movies become dis-oriented while attending auditoriums with just stadium seats. The people of New York are fortunate in that we still have many
first run theatres that have sloped floors and these are usually single auditoriums or twins in addition to several multi-plexes that have the stadium seats.

Their are still a few that have both.


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Mitchell Cope
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I personally like stadium seating in AMC theaters. It seems that the concept has allowed AMC to provide a bigger screen for a given audience size. I hate shoe box type theaters that resulted from taking a single screen and making it a multi screen complex.

What I don't like with AMC are the seats they give some patrons down on the floor. These seats are way too close to the screen, plus you would have to angle your head back to see the picture. When I saw "Pearl Harbor", an usher plopped himself down on the front row in the far right seat. His head was blocking my view!!! That seat had to have been within 6 to 8 feet of the screen. What good is that? If the only seats available are down in front, I ask for my money back. It's just not worth it.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Diehards love the properly configured slope seating, but the fact of the matter is that the audience wants an unobstructed view. Staggered seating by row is okay, but the little guy who ends up with the 6'5'' guy in front of him looks to shift right or left. That's okay, except when the house is full. Then what?

For those of you who have a combination of sloped and stadium seating, take a look out the port the next time your house is half full. See anyone sitting down front? I don't.

I originally thought safety would be a problem, but after a year and a half of running with stadium seating, we have not had a single accident to date.

I often think back to the college lectures in the old buildings that had stadium configurations (50's & 60's)and wonder why we all were not bright enough to come up with this concept sooner?

Figures don't lie. Just look what has happened to theaters without stadium seating when a competitor builds on top of them.

This is not a fad. When properly configured, stadium provides a superior venue, period. Take a look around ten years into the furure and see who has survived who
has gone belly-up.

Bottom line is fannies in the seats, guys and gals.


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Gordon McLeod
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Sorry to disagree but the numbers also don't lie in the matter of demographics
The baby boomer population seems to patronize the slopped floors more than the stadium.
And they are the only group that has had a net increase in moviegoing
10 years from now I think the slopped floors that survived will be the long term winners
Also to bear in mind is operational cost
Most locations charge higher rents in stadium floors are installed because of higher cost to remove if the tennent pulls out
Insurance is substanially higher
Heating and AC costs are higher due to the higher ceiling height causing a large increase in room volume
Higher construction costs amortization

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Steve Guttag
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Also....

Looking at the figures....when a new theatre moves into town it generally stomps all over the existing old theatre. Often the new theatre has more screens too....how can you say it is just the stadium seating?

As John said, a well designed sloped floor theatre can have all of the benefits of stadium but exhibitors just can't help themselves...gotta cram them all together.

People don't wan't obstructed vision, they don't care if it is stadium or sloped to achieve that...the perception is that stadium guarantees unobstructed vision....a falsehood in many theatres since hand rails are often in the way .

Steve

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Charles Everett
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My first taste of stadium seating was the Loews New Brunswick (New Jersey) on New Year's Day 1997. First stadium theater in New Jersey -- and the first stadium theater in the New York metropolitan area! I saw The Crucible in one of the small (100-seat) halls and it looked like I was face-to-face with the actors.

I've gradually made the transition away from sloped seating to stadium seating. As of last October it's stadium seating for me or nothing -- and I'm in my mid-40s. It's a bit easier for me to say that with all the theaters that have opened in the past 2 1/2 years. That's one thing you can thank George Lucas for!

BTW, I have had no problem reading subtitles on subtitled movies in stadium theaters.


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John Pytlak
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Charles said: "That's one thing you can thank George Lucas for!"

How is George Lucas responsible for stadium seating? Many attribute the recent trend to stadium seating to AMC Theatres, or to Kinopolis in Europe. If you really go back, the ancient Greeks and Romans used it first.


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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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