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Gordon McLeod
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The large theatre has the complete original screen in it. The aud beside it was the wisth of the exit procenium arch and organ chamber on the side of the stage.

Jesse Skeen
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PROPER way to split a theatre? That's easy- DON'T!!!

Bill Enos
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No room dividing is necessary at all. Two film on one screen at once using oppositely polarized filters on each projector and issueing patrons glasses with filters oriented for the feature they want and using headphones for the correct sound. This would work similarly to the way 3D glasses allow each eye to see only the image intended and not the other. It would probably help if both films were very close to the same length. Image quality would probably be lousy but what the hell savings is savings. Does anybody know if this has been tried? I can't believe it hasn't.

William Hooper
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I think the most successful divisions I've seen were main floor/balcony theaters.


Dave Bird
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Gordon, there's just enough left around there to tease a little bit. Some gold-leaf along where the balcony was, elaborate plaster alcoves where fountains were. Strange how the balcony ended up sideways, I've seen a lovely job of "splitting" one into two simply by using the balcony as the "stadium" screen 2, and that's in Renfrew....

John Pytlak
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William Hooper:

I agree, turning a large balcony area into another theatre or two has the best chance of being done right. That leaves the main auditorium with the big screen, and usually helps by moving its projection room downstairs with much less keystone distortion than from way up above the old balcony. With care, you can still have a very good large auditorium and a nicely done smaller screen or two as the pictures play out. The trick is in paying attention to the details: good sightlines, good acoustic isolation, new seats with lots of legroom, maintaining the character of the older building, etc.

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Bob Maar
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I have sucessfully devided auditoriums by putting a wall across the width of an auditorium and keeping the original screen exactly where is is. You can do this if you have enough height and build a platform in the projection booth and project over the top of the newly created cinema where the rear of the auditorium used to be.

You must make sure that the ceiling in the rear auditorium is completely soundproofed
and the hangers fastening the ceiling to the bar joist clear the projection beam.


Mike Blakesley
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Bob Maar: That's what I was talking about in my post above. I just worded it wrong. The ones I've seen are as you described...the original screen left in place, the NEW screen installed in front of the new wall.

John Pytlak
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Bob and Mike:

The main disadvantage to having a short throw with the original wide screen is the poor depth of focus of the really short focal length lenses required.

For example, let's say the original theatre had a 120 foot throw to a 25x60 foot screen. The "scope" lens would have been about 85 mm, and the 1.85:1 "flat" lens would be about 55 mm. Now put a wall across that wide auditorium. A 60 foot throw to the same large screen would require a 42 mm "scope" prime, and something close to 27 mm for "flat". With the 6000 watts needed to light even a moderate gain curved screen of that size, the heat-related "focus flutter" will probably be beyond the ability of those short lenses to hold focus well.

A few minutes trying various options with Schneider's Theatre Design Pro software will make the tradeoffs clear:
http://www.schneideroptics.com/theatre/desprodn.html

IscoOptic's free Cinema Lens Selector Software will tell the same story:
http://www.iscooptic.de/english.html

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Jesse Skeen
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As a rule, I simply will not go to any theater that has been split. Especially if I am paying to see a movie, I want a BIG auditorium. Take a look at Century's old dome theaters for the ultimate example of how to ruin a theatre- these were dome-shaped theaters that they just stuck a wall in the middle of to make 2 half-dome theaters!

Mike Blakesley
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John: Points well taken. My theatre has a 95' throw to a 30' wide screen. Many's the times I've WISHED we had an extra screen, but focus problems aside, it's a historic old building in really good shape and I would never think of twinning it, because the atmosphere would be ruined.

Scott D. Neff
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I guess I just feel the need to defend Century... ::sigh:: (Damn employee loyalty)

Century HAS split some of their domes... I assume you're talking about those in Sacramento. But they have some GREAT examples of preserving the large screens. Let us not forget the Century Complex 5 in Pleasant Hill, where they created a 2nd lobby and wrapped 4 new screens around the original large dome.

Seriously though -- how would one go about splitting a HUUUGE round theatre?

Bob Maar
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Scott Neff ask's "How would you split a hugh round theatre?"

I would divide it like you would cut a pie into eight slices. Using two of the slices as an entry way to the center core. The entry way to all auditoriums would be around the core. The Booth would be above the core with the screen curved to match the outer perimiter of the exterior walls.

The reason I am using two slices for the entry way is to give you enough room for Concession, restrooms, game room,boxoffice,
crowd control for your 6 screen complex.


John Pytlak
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Bob:

A circular or polygon design with slice-shaped auditoriums and a central "core" is attractive. I would go a step further and have an exit hall between each auditorium in the "slices", to provide better sound isolation between auditoriums, and exits at the sides of each auditorium. The design has the advantage of a single compact projection room located over the central "core" lobby. It provides a large front wall for the screen, with the wedge-shaped auditorium putting most seats in the front half of the theatre, but allowing a longer throw to aid focus. The concept could be used for both stadium or conventional sloped floor designs, but I would prefer the latter.

AFAIK, doesn't Famous Players (Canada) use a circular/spiral design in some of their new theatres ?

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Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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Gordon McLeod
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Yes all the collesium projects are designed in that fashion. Also they are all THX and with Surround Ex on all screens



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