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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 04-05-2002 09:36 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Note to brain-dead robbers: Never rob your employer. They have your social security number, D.O.B., job history, address, and a good description.

Note to brain-dead Megastar: By allowing the announcement that $27,000 was stolen on a week night, you've just declared open hunting season on your managers and theatres. Nice going.

Note to brain-dead TV station: Reporting news doesn't require offering enticements to potential robbers. Send your news team back to journalism ethics class.


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Ken Lackner
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Jerry said: "Note to brain-dead Megastar: By allowing the announcement that $27,000 was stolen on a week night, you've just declared open hunting season on your managers and theatres. Nice going."

I don't get it. What do you mean they've declared open hunting season on their managers and theaters?

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Mike Williams
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 - posted 04-05-2002 03:24 PM      Profile for Mike Williams   Email Mike Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ken,

Now everybody knows the amount of money that can be there on a weeknight. It is never a good idea to disclose to anybody how much money (cash) is counted or physically at a location.

Haven't you ever noticed the sticker on the gas station window "Cashier never has more than $20 in the register" It is there to protect the poor clerk from getting robbed at 2 in the morning.

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Jim Ziegler
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 - posted 04-05-2002 04:04 PM      Profile for Jim Ziegler   Email Jim Ziegler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Megastar may not have been the ones that released the number... Occasionally unethical patrol officers release details that should not be made public.

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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 04-05-2002 05:02 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Police reports are public information. There is nothing "unethical" about the police releasing the information.

Ken, read back in my much earlier posts in this thread. We are going over old ground again. We are going over old ground again. We are...



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Jim Ziegler
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 - posted 04-06-2002 04:12 AM      Profile for Jim Ziegler   Email Jim Ziegler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I can't speak to the state this theatre is on, but in Kansas, only the first page of a police report, the Kansas Standard Offense Report is open public record. The rest is not.

Jerry, if the information did come from the police, how can you blame the chain?

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Jerry Chase
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Because the chain DOES NOT have to release the amount stolen at the time of the original report. EVER. No matter what the investigating officer says. Do these people think the theatre manager is going to be arrested after a robbery because he won't give instant gratification to some detective? Pardon my french, but this is getting repetative and wasting bandwidth.

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Jim Ziegler
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So you are advocating that the chain refuse to give the information to the police? You can't be serious....

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Jerry Chase
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Deadly serious. The information can be had later, once the news hounds are through with their little games beating each other to hot sensational stories.

If it is a choice between pissing off a police officer who more than likely won't do jack shit about finding and arresting the robber (been there, done that, got the t-shirt), or making the theatre less attractive to copycats, guess which choice wins?

You do what you want. Tell 'em at the outset how they walked into the break room (second door on the left) pointed a gun at a female employee, and used her to gain entrance to the managers office (third door on the left, no alarm) and used the combination 24 left 42 right 56 left back to 90 to open the safe. The news media can report that too.

Robberies are a threat to life. I have no latitude in my opinions on the subject. Until there is a law that prevents the disclosure of amounts stolen, Joe Friday can yell at me until he is blue in the face. "That information will have to be determined at a later time after a corporate audit, I cannot comment further."



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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 04-06-2002 04:50 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, I skimmed through most of this thread, and don't see anything mentioned about insurance (though I could have missed it). Do any of the larger theater circuits (or independents for that matter) carry insurance against robbery? And if so, wouldn't the $$ stolen, or even just an estimate of the amount stolen, have to be part of the police report in order to satisfy the insurer?

Apologies in advance to Jerry: I'm not trying to stir anything up. Just asking.


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Carl King
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 - posted 04-07-2002 10:11 AM      Profile for Carl King   Email Carl King   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In 1968 I was 17 and working for my late Father at the theatre he maaged
here in Saint John, New Brunswick. One weekday evening a man walked
into the foyer and shoved a gun under the glass partition in the boxoffice and poointed it at the cashier and demanded all the money.

The cashier, a 30 something woman, said. "I can't. It's not mine" The schocked robber demanded the money again and the cashier told him the same thing only louder. This got my Dad's attention. He could hear her through the wall(his office was next door). He came out to the foyer just in time to see the frustrated thief raise his hands above his head and curse. He then stormed out of the theatre. My Dad
then followed him outside. There was and still is a park accross the street from the theatre where there was usually a cop or two on the beat. Sure enough there were two cops nearby. My Dad yelled at the top of his lungs " OFFICERS" They heard and looked over at him as he pointed at the running thief ( still with gun in hand). The cops gave chase..guy threw is gun away..and they caught him. He got the spend th winter in a warm jail cell.

My Dad then spent the next 1/2 hour trying to explain (loudly) how the cashier had nearly gotten herself killed. She still maintained that she couldn't give away what wasn't hers.

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Jerry Chase
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David, often it is literally impossible to detail information on an initial police report. Imagine a fire caused by arson. Would you expect a complete equipment inventory on that report? Any insurance company that was stupid enough and hard-assed enough to demand such a listing and refuse to back-off would have its license pulled by the state insurance commissioner for failing to fullfill contractual obligations. Police reports can be ammended.

The issue is that detectives are trained to get as much information as possible as quickly as possible. It makes good sense, since people forget details over even short lengths of time, and insiders that might be party to the robbery get a chance to synch their stories. In doing their job, these detectives can get quite agressive and intimidating. They also have been known to lie about the consequences of not cooperating fully with them. None of this alters the facts that 1. a lot of the robbers never get caught, or are only caught incidental to another robbery, and 2. broadcasting the amount stolen is a sure-fire way to encourage copycats.


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John Walsh
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 - posted 04-07-2002 06:07 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Not that my opinon matters that much, but I gotta agree with Jerry. Cops don't need to know how much was taken right then and there, although I admit it would be tough to look at a cop (who is trying to help you) and not tell him. But, I think the end justifies the means...

On a slightly related subject, what do y'all think of money drop boxes in the theater, where the manager does not have the key? Usually this type of seup is used when you have armored car pickup during the day. I always thought this procedure was bad news, because supposing the theif does not believe you don't have the key?

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Mike Williams
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Drop safes work very well. But they can be even more effective by a sign outside saying something like "Manager does not have key" or "Safe can only be openned by armed guard" i.e. Brinks.

This CAN discourage a would be robber as well. The thief knows up front he will probably not get away with much.


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Charles Everett
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We just had something like this in New Jersey. The only difference is that it reportedly was an inside job.

According to local press reports, several people allegedly used (the manager's) keys to enter a Regal megaplex after closing time. Once inside they disabled the alarm and allegedly made off with the cash in the safe. Management called the cops and the cops questioned all the employees, who in turn fingered the suspects. The cops were able to recover most of the cash from the suspects' homes. Charged so far:

20-year-old man, ex-Regal employee -- burglary and theft. Some marijuana also was found with his cut of the money.

20-year-old man -- burglary and theft.

18-year-old woman, Regal manager -- conspiracy.

17-year-old girl, Regal employee -- receiving stolen property (some of the cash).

16-year-old girl -- burglary and theft.


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